Dan

Actually, I think its a good thing. If we all know this is a non-playoff year, why not do everything possible to develop your players for the future? Same thing with the O-line. The moves today were risky and looked pretty bad at times, but for the future of the team it was great. I think it's apparent JP is in for the season no matter what. The coaches are definitely seeing something that alot of fans aren't. I just hope it pans out and doesn't backfire on the team.

I must admit. Clements had a good game today. Did anyone else also notice they moved the corners around today rather than letting Driver continually line up against out weakest DB?

Exactly. My first thought was what a lucky pass. THEN I saw the replay. Standing in there and making that throw was huge. And at a critical time in the game when we absolutely needed something. I don't think one play excuses the whole day. But, you've got to give JP credit for a big pass a critical time.

No way it was a 15 yarder. His head hardly moved and didn't even attempt to bring him down with it. The skins definitely got a gift there.

I love it. JP played bad, the O-line played bad, the receivers dropped balls, Willis leaves in first series. Conclusion: JP sucks bench him. JP finally does something. Stands in till the last possible second with a defender right in his face and throws a 40 yard pass without being able to step into it. Touchdown. JP still sucks, anyone could have made that pass. Beautiful. Talk about not being able to do anything right.

He went down early in the game with a bruised back/ribs. They really haven't said much. Other offensive note, not being mentioned... Royals and Evans dropped easy passes that would have made the offense look alot better.

I was wondering the same thing this morning. Cards? WTF.

Upon contemplation, I'd have to agree.

If this position-shift works, why would we still need to address the lines? Perhaps for depth? It seems to me that if this O-line shuffle works then the line would become less of a concern.

My initial thought as well. In this game I'm actually more worried about our Defensive line and our ability to stop the run. The Packers seem to be relying on that lately, so I doubt they'll give up on it, unless we can make them. Something we haven't done yet.

That would explain why the Bills always seemed to be mentioned. I had wondered about that. The Bills get almost no mention in national media, and I'm not saying they should; I'm just saying. TMQ, however, seems to have a Bills reference each week, even on their bye week. hooo ray TMQ!

See my post above... I've seen several games at Fenway. None were against the Yankees and all I witnessed multiple fights.

Living in RI for 7 years I went to several events at Foxboro and Fenway. I've always considered those some of the roughest crowds ever. Never once was there not mutlple fights for one stupid reason or another. Even for concerts. By far the worst crowds I've seen at games or concerts. For reference, I've seen games (of various kinds) in Chicago, Baltimore, Nashville, New Orleans, Memphis, St. Louis. Granted not alot of games. And, unfortunately, no games at Rich Stadium. (perhaps someday) All this however, still doesn't excuse the fact that this behavior is wrong and is too often accepted. Half the posts here, still say "they got what they deserved" or something to that effect. I find that disheartening. All I can say is next time we want to talk about "classless" fans in Miami or NE or anywhere else, I suggest a long look in the mirror to make sure we're not talking about ourselves as well.

Excellent perspective! My early memories of Kelly (understand I have a hard time remembering what I had for breakfast yesterday) were cursing him relentlessly for all the ill-timed interceptions. It was years before my Mom liked him. I don't think my Grandmother ever did. I also very much remember almost every time he threw the ball, even during the Superbowl years, holding my breath thinking it would be intercepted. And we all know how Kelly's career turned out. So, what am I trying to say? Just that first impressions aren't always the best impressions. Sometimes you just have to give people (and in this case teams) a little time. The real question is how much time do you give? I'd suggest the "standard" for assessing a GM is roughly 3 years. So, Levy gets about 3yrs in my book before I start wanting change. JP and many of the other players get about the same amount of time - unless they show absolutely nothing. But, keep in mind regarding players, much of what they show, we as fans cannot see. Their leadership, their team chemistry, their desire are just a few. So, we really have ot rely on the coaches more for player assesments.

If it pisses Kornhole off, I'm all for it! Hell make it open air.

Actually, I'm feeling somewhat connected to the aura surrounding Losman. So, I'm feelin the team more and more. Maybe that's the coaches delimma; they haven't perfected the aura meter just yet. Seriously though... JP is not going anywhere soon. Everyone saying he's regressing, let's give Nall a shot; let's draft a QB - you're not watching the games and, more importantly, you're not listening to te head coach. Jauron has said repeatedly, he has to be patient with JP. More recently, he's said JP needs to correct his mistakes, but he's "going to be good". Clearly, Jauron likes JP (maybe he connects with his aura). He see's him progressing. And he's decided to give JP ample time to develop. So, everyone needs to just realize these facts and learn to live with it. If you want JP gone, I'd suggest you start hoping for the caoching staff to be fired, because it seems to me they like the guy.

I understand what you're saying. I just think people saying he probably provoked it; therefore what do you expect.... is wrong in every sense. If I may offer (as devil's advocate only) regarding the timing and photo: Perhaps it took 10 days, because the guys been laid up recovering? Perhaps other bruises to the body are covered by his shirt? The picture was probably taken yesterday. I've been interviewed and in multiple papers around the country; typically, they've written the story and taken any photos all in one day with an evening deadline to make the next day's paper. Sometimes, the story is written and then the editor sends a photographer out to get a shot to go with it, so they could hold the story for a day..at most. Granted this is not a high profile piece, so it could be a different timeline than what I've experienced.

Sometimes change is needed to stave off complacency.

I'm not sure what's worse, the fact that this happened (at least in part, I agree it may not have happened as the article stated) or the fact that people here are trying to make excuses for it. There is no excuse. It reminds me a little of the Miami fight durign the game and everyone here saying how bad those guys were and should be in jail, etc. And the players excuse was...we're just defending ourselves. That was deplorable behavior and so is this. As some have stated, this goes on at all stadiums. But, I think people should stop trying to say how much worse Foxboro is or Philly; apparently Buffalo is just as bad as any of them. I've always watched idiots rioting in the streets after their team finally wins the Super Bowl/Stanley Cup/World Series/etc. and I've always wondered would Buffalo fans put on such a moronic display if the Bills win a Super Bowl. I guess now I have my answer. And as happy as I'll be that day, it will be diminished to see fires and looting in the streets with the excuse that we were just celebrating.

A-friggin-men!

I actually turned the game off at half time. How bad is that!?!

Listening and understanding are lost artforms. I also think that all too often people make up their mind before they know all the facts or see all the possibilities. Therefore, they get in a corner and make erroneous statments.

Do you throw one season... or even 2.. away; if that will allow your players to develop thereby giving you 5+ years of Super Bowl contention? Do you blow up your team every season, bringing in new guys and hoping to get lucky thereby giving you 1 year of Super Bowl contention? I think that's the basis of this arguement and at the root of starting or benching JP. For me, its an easy decision.

I'm in complete agreement. I might add though, if winning a Super Bowl was the criteria for measuring greatness, no Bill would ever be in the HOF nor considered great. You'd think that posters on a Bills' board would appreciate that more than just about any one. The one thing I will say though is that Manning, much like Elway, exemplifies exactly what makes football so great - its a team sport. As great as Manning may be, he'll never win a Super Bowl until they get a great team around him. One player can only take a team so far. That's why I like football so much, and that's why building through free agency is rarely a sure way to get to the Super Bowl.

What's that make Buffalo?