Dan

Sorry what 2 years did he do that? I know he led us to the playoffs in '98 and lost in the wildcard game. But, he didn't start that season as the Bills' starter. He game in mid season for Johnson, as I recall. 1999 was the first time he started the season as a starter and got his team to the playoffs and should have started in the playoffs (IMO). I recalled a quote at the time where he said that was his dream come true, that 99 season - that's what I was referring to (however, I could be wrong my memory has been known to suck). What other season did he take a team to the playoffs?

Not to mention he got us to the playoffs. I agree, I never got it either. The guy played his ass off to get us into the playoffs, does that, realizes his dream of playing for an NFL team in the playoffs is at hand - then gets benched and we lose. And we want to blame him for being pissed. Imagine that. I liked Flutie, still do. But, then again, I tend to cheer for whoever the Bills put on the field. I'm a homer like that. Of course, some people just like to B word.

True. Trent may be hurt, but is he hurt so much that he can't start? Yeah this is just me wasting thoughts, but it'll get more intriguing if JP somehow manages to play well in a Bills win this weekend. Too bad he didn't want to stay.

Good point. If the Bills finish 7-9, or even 8-8, this year; it's going to take more than a tweak here or there to convince fans that the team is making the right moves to get over that hump.

Sometimes, yes. As I just said in the other reply, I think it depends upon who they'd bring in. I'm not attempting to dredge up any QB debate, I'm merely suggesting that Jauron could be acting out of desperation? Yes, he knows what he has in JP. But he also knows Trent has been in a real funk lately. He doesn't have time to let Trent play himself out of it. He needs to win now and he's desperate. I could be full of it, I don't know. Just something to think about.

I really hope you're right. I think you are. But, I'm just not sure. Sometimes these guys looks great, but then you see some really bad for stretches. I guess it comes down to who they'd bring in. Yeah Miami and Atlanta did it this year, but what about KC? It all comes down to who they bring in, IMO. And that, perhaps, is what concerns me most. When was the last time they brought in quality at any coaching position?

I think we all know the Chroise would part the Dome bringing forth a snowy death spiral of touchdown bombs in a smashing defeat of the fish. So, please, leave him out of this pseudo QB debate.

Another thought.... maybe Ralph wanted the Fin game in Toronto because he figured with it being the rivalry game that so many Bills fans attend, that it would ensure more people would make the drive and attend. ?? If the Bills were playing SF up there this week, how much interest would there be for the game this week in Buffalo?

Why would that be acceptable? We started this season with the HC and Players stating the goal this year was the playoffs. Then we start 5-1. All is looking good. Now we're 6-6 and it's looking more and more like Jauron is losing the team. So, how is winning just 2 more games saving his job? IMO, 10-6 with no playoffs saves his job. 9-7, possibly. Although, it would probably depend upon which game was lost and how we won the 3 others. Me personally, I'm nervous about Jauron leaving. I agree, with each passing week, we need a new coach more and more. However, I shudder to think of yet another new HC, new assistants, and several more wasted years of players learning new schemes. So, I'm somewhat ambivalent on the whole issue to be perfectly honest. I guess I'm just waiting for the next couple of games to play out to see how the season actually ends. On a related topic, could Jauron be starting JP in an effort to save his job? Perhaps Trent is really injured, but maybe less so and Ralph really wants to see JP? Or maybe Jauron is desperate knowing he's about to lose his job, so he's trying everything possible? It wouldn't be the first time a coach made a similar move in an attempt to save their job.

Agreed. The OP should change the thread title to... "I'll linger here for several days with this..." The only thing worse than people starting threads saying they're leaving, is starting said thread and then not leaving. Just go already.

It would definitely be a start. But, they need to do something. The cold and snow in Buffalo should be a HUGE advantage, but it just isn't with this team.

Quite seriously... when has playing in cold, windy, snowy conditions helped this Bills team over the several years? It really is time to face reality - this team is not a cold weather team. The players nor the game plan are equipped for December in Buffalo. Depressing thought, but terribly true.

I wonder how everyone in Cleveland felt when their team won a Super Bowl in Baltimore? Why not just pretend the Bills moved to New England? So now you can watch the Pats* and be so glad they're winning. See problem solved.

The problem, as I see it, is with situational play calling. It's calling for a pass when the run game is clearly getting you yardage. It's calling an up the middle dive when they've been getting stuffed in the middle all day. It's calling a WR screen when the DBs are playing tight man coverage. And so on and so forth. Putting the players in a position to succeed is one of the primary ways a coach can affect a game. Unfortunately, our offensive players are more often than not put in bad positions with bad and predictable play calling.

I'm fairly certain proper etiquette dictates that you don't "read" anything Mort says; you just post "Mort Sucks" (or some other derogatory phrase) any time you see his name and move on.

I agree. At times, this early season, Trent looked like a bona fide NFL QB. It was refreshing, surprising, almost awe inspiring to see a Buffalo QB look so competent. With that said, I still expected him, as a 2nd year QB, to hit some speed bumps and have a few bad games. However, the marked regression in his play is quite concerning. Is it Trent or the coaching? I don't know, but he's clearly taking huge steps backwards. We all know there are things caoches can do to "protect" a young QB. Quick routes, simplified reads, play action, and running the damn ball are just a couple of tried and proven ideas that make young QBs look better. Yet, we do none of that with any regularity. Why? It truly does puzzle me. I never thought JP was nearly as bad as many posters make him out to be. Nor do I think Trent is as bad as he's been playing (maybe I'm just a Bills homer) which is why those numbers werer so interesting to me. However, I think both have been put into situations that make it very difficult for young QBs to develop. And that situation is playing for coaches that do nothing to help their QBs. Or I should say, I assume its the coaching. Maybe the coaches are calling the right plays and our guys can't execute. That's hard for a fan to know.

Bring in the CHROISE... bring in the funk!!!! If Hamdan were to start, the groins would part and touchdowns would follow!

When was the last time we truly saw the Bills, as a team, fired up? I don't know what Jauron's pregame speeches are like, but I imagine they all end with a sedative dropped in the Gatorade. It never ceases to amaze me just how flat this team looks in big games.

It's quite interesting that those numbers are so similar, for the most part. So the next logical question is... was JP really almost as good as Trent or is Trent just as bad as JP was? After that, I'd think to ask... could it be that in neither case the young QB was the problem with the team?

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I completely agree with you. However, the OP suggested they take "one dollar less than the average compensation of the US auto workers in companies not receiving a bailout". I was simply pointing out that they've upped that idea.

Actually I think the big 3 CEOs said that if they got the bailout cash, they'd cut their pay to $1/yr. Not sure of of the details, just caught it quickly earlier today/.

Excellent post. Although, the point regarding the falsifiability of global warming really refers more to the political and funding mechanisms that influence most all scientific research, as you mention in several other posts. But that, in general, is a problem with all scientific investigation. Most granting agencies only want to fund research that gives known results that the granting agency supports. But that's neither here nor there, I suppose. Good post. I completely agree. It's kinda funny to think of some of the doom and gloom of the past that has and hasn't panned out. However, I think you must consider that some of these examples, CFCs and acid rain for example, may have been mitigated through our actions. We certainly use less CFCs than we used to, and legislation that required plants to clean their emissions surely had some effect on acid rain. I'm not trying to say that all the problems were there or that humans have completely "fixed" some of these environmental problems. However, I would argue that clearly we took steps to lessen the effects of CFCs (for ex.) and those steps had an impact, perhaps were even beneficial. Back to the topic at hand, I find it interesting that we have trouble predicting whether or not it will rain next week yet we think we can predict the global climate 100 years from now. It's always prudent to keep in mind the limitations of computer models and our limited knowledge of the inputs into those models. Nonlinear, chaotic systems are not readily predictable by their nature. From my understanding, there seems to be a fair bit of evidence that the global climate, in general, is warming and warming at a rate not typically observed in other warming periods. Is it driven by human kind? Perhaps that's the least important question. What are the potential effects? Can we do anything to keep the world as we currently know it? Should we even try? Is there a tipping point that we're heading towards that will inevitably lead to an alternate stable attractor that's vastly and catastrophically different from the world we currently live in? Do we hit that tipping point in 2012? Those are perhaps more important discussion points (well maybe not the last one, we all know that's when it happens).

With each passing week, this fact seemingly becomes more and more apparent. I still contend that the Pats*, Jets and Fins aren't as good as their record indicates. However, each of them appear to have coaching staffs that have been able to capitalize on the weak schedules we've all been playing this season. The Bills coaches, quite simply, have not.

Yes. If the team leaves after his death; his legacy is ruined. However, if he sells and the team leaves NOW; he's... what.. great? Brilliant. I'd rather cheer for a bad Bills team, than no Bills team. Simple as that.