Dan

When did the league change the rules and make all these long throws legal? I don't get it.

Edwards has been on that team... what.. a week? And he's making circus catches for touchdowns. Our WRs are lucky to get an end around reverse. Man the Bills suck.

I'd agree that our players aren't as bad as they're playing. TO didn't suddenly forget how to run a route. We know Reed and Evans can catch the ball. Lynch and Jackson are more than capable backs. We have decent guards now. So, yeah, the entire offense doesn't need to be blown up. I think we could say the same about the defense as well. They have a core group of guys that can play as well. Of course they all need to stay healthy! What we're missing are the important pieces - Coaching, QB, LT, LB. I could easily see a quality coach coming in adding a few key players and changing this team around next season. Of course that all depends on the coach they bring in and what he does once he gets in. In no way, do I think we'll get a good HC or make smart draft/FA decisions. But I think if we did they could turn this team around in one season, ala the fins. The fins are in not a great team. But, anyone watching the game right now should be able to see what a good HC/FO can do. They look worlds better than the Bills and are headed in the right direction.

Trent should have been benched at the end of the 3rd quarter yesterday. The guy looks completely lost and absolutely unwilling to throw the ball. Think about it.. we have a QB that is literally afraid to throw the ball. I wouldn't have let Roscoe come back to the bench after the fumble. I would have called April over and told him to escort Roscoe to the locker room, get is gear and leave the facilities. That guy quit on this team in week one. I'd play as many of the rookie and second year players as possible from here on out, inlcuding on the Oline. This season is lost. It's a waste. No sense in even trying to salvage it. The only good that can possibly come out of it is for the young guys to get some experience and see what they can do. That way the next HC has a better idea of what he's got. I'd huddle up just for the sake of making the players look each other in the eye after every stupid play/penalty. Maybe someone would finally crack and punch someone else.

As much as I want Jauron and company gone, that is my primary concern. There's absolutely no way anyone currently on the staff is head coach material. So, what happens if you fir Jauron, give April or Fewell the interim job and then we win 3 of the last 5 or something stupid like that? So, I'm torn. I want desparately for Jauron to be gone. However, if his replacement is someone currently on the staff... well I guess I can wait till season's end. Either way, I really don't see it changing much. This season is completely lost regardless of who's the HC. Sucks. What are chances one of the top guys - Holmgren, Cowher, Gruden, etc. - come to Buffalo mid season? Not saying any of them would be hired at all. I'm just wondering more... how often you see a major coaching overhaul midseason? I can't really remember one.

I'd fire dick and have a contest to pick a Bills' fan from the stands to be coach for the week. Whomever they picked truly couldn't do any worse.

Trent's failure is in his unwillingness to even try. 20 seconds left, on the 40. He has 3 shots. Not once does he even attempt a pass 20-30 yards down the sideline. Not once does he even try to win the game. Yes, the odds were against him. But, any QB worth a damn tries to win in that situation. Trent... not so much. He's still perfectly content throwing underneath and hoping someone else can win the game.

He answered it like he plays... noncommital and indecisive.

I had to miss the 1st quarter today. First time in years... years.. I've missed part of a Bills game. Worst of all, it didn't bother me one bit. I wasn't thinking about getting a score update. I wasn't wondering if Trent could put something together. I just didn't care about the game at all. I got home just in time for the 2nd quarter to start. And within 30 seconds realized I didn't miss a single thing. First time I can remember that I've missed a part of a Bills game and feel like I really didn't miss anything. This team has moved so far beyond joke, beyond pathetic, beyond relevance. They're merely a bunch of guys running around wasting time until they can go somewhere else. Easily the worst "game" I've seen.

This team sucks complete ass. And, yes, Trent is a huge part of that. I don't know what I saw today.. but it was not a professional NFL starting QB playing out there. Add to it a completely inadequate coaching staff, no depth, no anything and this team is right where they belong at the bottom of the league.

So let's say someone roots against the Bills all season and they go 4-12. Great, right? But, then Jauron still doesn't get fired. Does this fan root against them next year too? At what point does this fan realize they're just bitter and hate the team they once loved? To the bolded point... if Jauron somehow turned it aroud and started having winning seasons, do we still need a new coach/GM/etc.? Maybe (Chargers with Martyball) but maybe not.

A fan, by the very definition of the term, can not root against ther team. Yes, the Bills blow. Yes, they've blown for quite a few years. Yes, the HC should have been fired 2 years ago. Yes, the owner needs to spend big money on a new HC. Yes, this team will suck the very life from your soul. But, none of that matters. They're still the BUFFALO Bills. I'll watch every game possible. I'll be a little happy when they win. Depressed when they lose. Why? Because I'm a fan. When you cheer against a team or you no longer watch the games or follow the team, you're no longer a fan - period. You're just another person who occasionally watches. A fan is there through the thick and thin (granted it's nano fiber thin right now); not just when the team is doing well or doing things they like. Yes, complain. Yes, boo when they screw up on the field. Yes, find voice your displeasure. But, cheering against the team - hoping they lose - regardless of the rationalization is not what a real fan does.

IMO, this is the single biggest problem with the offense. Many of the line problems could be masked if Trent would just throw the ball. If the WRs are running routes that take 5 seconds to develop, then, yes, there's a larger problem. However, I'm not sure that's the case. At least not on every pass play. Trent needs to drop back and throw. I can only guess that he's unable to read a defense and make the decisions fast enough or he's just scared to throw. Either way, until he figures it out, we're screwed.

Most people want to do something in their life that's important or maybe makes an impact in the lives of others. Some even aspire to trying to make the world a better place. Well, SDS, you've done exactly that. Thank you for having a vision and the motivation and talent to bring that vision to all of us. As much as the Bills send me, and many a fan, into the dark depths of dispair, there is no better place than TBD to come and get the best Bills' news and complain about that news (or lack of news in the case of HC firings). Without a doubt, you've created and continue to improve upon, the absolute best website and news outlet for Bills fans. My life would be less without it. Thank you. Dan

What I find most interesting is the notion that this is some kind of "must win" for Jauron and the Bills. Yes, it'll be sad beyond words to lose to an 0-4 teaam after you lose to an 0-3 team. OK. But, let's just say we win this week. Does that suddenly change things? Do we all come in here on Monday and post that Jauron just saved his job? Hip hip hooray, we just beat a winless team at home! So what. IMO, this weekend's game is about as meaningless as a preseason game. I still haven't even decided if I'll watch it. I actually have something to do on Sunday. Normally, I'd postpone it for football. However, should I really do that just to watch a worthless game that the Bills will most likely (given their last 3 years performance) come out flat and uninspired. It's a sad day, indeed, when I'm actually put in this position by a coach and team that are as listless as any I've ever seen. ing Jauron. But, back to my original point... win or lose, does it really matter? This team needs fresh air and a win over one of the worst teams in the league is not it.

Pretty much what I got out of it too. Just pathetic.

I don't know if it's quitting on your coach or your coach quitting on your team but when you here quotes like this: "More than a few players felt that their play was lacking passion and intensity." “It seemed like we were a little flat,” said Williams. “I know late in that fourth quarter I definitely got relaxed... ,” said Jonathon Scott. Source bb.com Either way it's pretty pathetic to read comments like this from the players. Apparently, not only do the players have no problem giving up on a game, but they have no problem letting everyone know they quit.

If it takes the death of someone for this franchise to turn around... well then may I watch an 0-16 team every year. I've posted more in this type thread than I ever intended, so I'll say no more about it. Other than, it's truly a disgrace what this fanbase is becoming. And that is perhaps the most troubling outcome of the last few years.

Just noticed that you dont have BIlls 16-3 in your sig line. Does that mean even you have lost hope for the season? Say it ain't so.

Can we, please, make it a new Board Policy that any thread started that wishes for the death of someone or quotes someone else wishing for the death of someone to be deleted immediately? Please. I haven't read the rest of this thread and won't. I'm exercising my right to ignore it. However, it still sits there on the board and it's highly distasteful and just plain wrong to see a thread openly wishing for the death of someone, especially the one man responsible for the last 50 years of football in Buffalo. My suggestion for all those that want to see Ralph pass that are sick of seeing this team on the field; find another team. It would be far more tasteful and do less damage to your soul.

Didn't you post this last year?

It's amazing what a substandard QB can do for a WR. Look no further than Cutler. Last year Eddie Royal comes out of no where and has a great year with Cutler as his QB. This year with Orton, he's got 8 catches for 58 yards (7.3 avg) and zero TDs. Transition to Chicago, with Cutler, another unheard of rookie (Johnny Knox) is the all the rage with 14 catches for 190 yards (13.6 avg) and 2 TDs. So is it a coincidence or is it having a good QB? So before we all rag on Evans, let's first ask the very basic question, does he have an NFL caliber QB throwing to him? Taking the good with the bad, I think we all have to conclude that the book is still very much out on Edwards. He may be good one day, but I find it hard to believe anyone can call him good now. Perhaps its all the O-line. I could see that. But, with regards to Evans, it doesn't change the argument. He has a QB throwing the ball to him that looks scared at best. Fix the QB (either with a new Oline with a new player) and perhaps then we can discuss what the WRs are doing.

I'm thinkin the only solution is to build a new stadium, but instead of one of those fancy retractable roofs, we create a vacuum. Maybe they need the absence of any type of atmospheric influence to perform adequately.

I wouldn't' called it veiled at all. He's saying what we all are - he's just not using words like "Dick" and "sucks".

Because the biggest problem with this team is they're not moving forward. We've had the same regime now for roughly 3-4 years. We have no more depth than we did when Jauron got here. So, once the starters get injured, which they always do, the guy off the bench is unable to contribute effectively - except in very rare circumstances, i.e. Fred Jackson. The defensive scheme is still just as pathetic as it was in day one. The players are still making the same mistakes, still playing too soft in their zones, still guessing as opposed to knowing. The offense is still without an identity. We don't run well. We don't pass well. We just go out run some plays and hope the defense gives us enough to get a few first downs. Our coaching staff still doesn't make any adjustments, what so ever. They still look listliss and confused for the most part. Jauron still makes at least 2-3 idoitc calls per game that cost us. He's still content with just seeing these guys try. Oure "franchise" QB, Trent, has not progressed one bit since his rookie year. All the good things we saw in those first few games are still there; but he's not gotten better at any of them. He's still slow to read the defense, hesitant to throw the ball to WRs, and not taking charge of the team. Defenses have figured him out; but he's still seeing new things from 3-4 defenses. So every year, we make a few moves here, a few changes there. We cut a little. Add a little. But in the end, the net is still the same - we've gone no where. It's reflected in the win/loss record. It's reflected in the play on the field. It's reflected in the player's press conferences. It's reflected in the fan's discussions about the team. It essentially permeates every aspect of this team. This franchise has become a stagnant pool of mediocrity. And, quite honestly, I don't think anyone at One Bills Drive cares.