Dan

We lurk in the shadows, waiting for the day when our sanity shall rise again!

The problem with threads like this (player A is better, we should have drafted him over our guy) is you're neglecting the primary factor influencing the player's success. Maybin plays for the Bills. Orakpo plays for someone else. There should be absolutely no reason to think that if Orakpo was drafted by the Bills that he'd have 5.5 sacks right now. The Bills have been putting players in positions to fail for nearly a decade. Does anyone really think TO forgot how to run a route this year? Or is it more likely that his production has completely fallen off the cliff because he's playing in Buffalo's offense? Gandy was one of the worst LTs ever, until he went to Arizona and became good enough to start in a Super Bowl. And so on... So, until we get a coaching staff that actually knows how to coach and prepare players to compete in this league, all of these comparisons are grossly flawed.

I can easily see that and think it's the most realistic scenario. However, if Jauron is responsible for drafting all the DBs, that may indicate the HC has considerable input in which players come and go. If so, it's reasonable to assume that new HC may have the same input. So, my question is, if a new HC comes in and he shifts the focus to building the lines (as opposed to the secondary) would that be enough?

Never said he was good or bad... just said he's better than Trent.

I assure you, a Bills Message Board is the only place that anyone might even consider Trent better than Cutler.

Well played, sir.

Yep. It's gotta be the hormones. Because no way chicks looked that good when I was 13-16. No way!

Perhaps you're asking the wrong question. Because the Chroisen One can not fail. I ask you... who can take a sunrise, sprinkle it with dew. Cover it with chocolate and a miracle or two. The Chroisen One can. Who can take tomorrow, dip it in a dream; separate the sorrow and collect up all the cream. The Chroisen One. The Chroisen One can.

Loved that article. So, basically, I can't eat anything: Canned tomatoes Beef Microwave Popcorn Potatoes Farm raised fish Milk Apples They could have shortened the whole thing and just said the Aamerican food industry is ed. Unless you live on a farm and grow/raise all your own food; you're gonna get cancer and die.

Otherwise known as the "bend and pray" defense.

Poz's problem is the same as most players on this team. He is much better at taking on the RB at the point of attack and blitzing. So what do our coaches do? They have him run away from the LOS as fast as he can at the snap. Stand there, then run up to make a tackle. He's not a coverage LB, but they're trying to make him one. Simple as that. Anyone see him blitz right up the middle and flatten Shaub a half second after he threw the ball on Sunday? See him play up and hit Slaton for the fumble? Those are the things he does well. So, why is he more often dropping back into a "zone", just so we can say we have a guy standing in the middle of the field? Change the defensive scheme and I believe he becomes a very good LB.

And this thread shows why we're fans and not working for an NFL team. Me, personally, I'd keep them all with the possible exception of Lindell. Momma say what....you say. Yes, the problem with team is not the players - its the way they're being coached. Change the coaches and you'll see a much better team. Granted, I would like to see several of our cuurent starters moved to backup roles. The biggest problem we've had is depth. So, improve the conditioning and keep Kelsay (for ex) as a backup goes a long way to sovling that. Get a good QB and solidify the Oline with some tackles and we'd be a much improved team. Now add a coching staff that knows how to game plan properly, utilize the players properly, and can motivate properly and we come a real team. So, in short, I don't think a cleaning house of players is required at all.

Watching this game is just pissin me off. The disparity between these teams and the Bills is beyond laughable. Matt Ryan just completes a skinny post pass 19 yards down field in 2.1 seconds. Brees actually practices with his WRs to get their timing down. Our guys get the day off and do conference calls.

You mean they still sell pop corn thats' not in a microwave bag?

"How many good CBs have come out of Buffalo?!" Gruden

That's where I sit on the issue. As much as we all want Jauron gone, what good does it do if it happened tomorrow? None of the big name guys would take a mid-season job. So, we almost certainly end up with Fewell or April. Which would worry the heck out of me. Say, April takes over and the team goes 5-3 by some stroke of horrible luck. Then, Ralph decides that's progress, so lets give him another year or 2 to see if he can build on it. No, I think I'd rather see Jauron finsh out the year and take my chances with all the potential HC candidates on the market. I think. Because it would be damn nice to see some heads roll tomorrow.

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Well.. we have a good punter. I guess that's a start.

The preseason means nothing and the regular season means next to nothing. Its the playoffs that matter. That's why Jauron is still keeping the real plays under wraps. He doesn't want to tip his hand before the divisional round. He's smart like that.

I'd imagine Belicheck would say the same thing now as well. But I'm not sure that translates into willingness to coach here as much as it is willingness to come here and win a football game. I'd take a credentialed guy like Holmgren any day. Not so much because it means we win (or even have a shot at winning) the Super Bowl, but because it could bring us back into relevancy, i.e. the playoffs. After a couple of playoff seasons then we could discuss is he the guy to get us to the SB. Small steps.

BillsVet, if I may, the criticism that you and several posters like you have faced has more to do with how you make your argument not so much the argument itself. You seldomly, if ever, say anything positive about the team. Every post, in every thread is a negative comment about the FO and/or HC. Someone can start something as trivial as an "I like this player's shoes" thread, and your contribution will be along the lines of "yeah but the FO is a joke for blah, blah, blah...". Myself, and many others, agree that there are serious problems with the FO, with the HC, with the team. However, occasionally, they do do something right. No one is ever 100% wrong in every instance. And that is precisely what your posting history consists of... pointing out in every instance bad decisions. Please, don't take this as a personal attack. I have no beef with you, I appreciate your opinion. More often than not, your opinion has been highy accurate. However, the way in which you state your opinion tends to dilute its message. If the Bills draft someone that's a bad pick and you state it, you'll receive criticism. But, only because you state all the picks are bad, all the moves are bad, all the decisions are bad. So, in a way, it tends to fall on deaf ears after a while. Kinda like... "oh BillsVet doesn't like the pick, well, duh, he doesn't like anything they do". I guess all I'm saying is although you may be 100% right, don't be surprised that people don't rush to suport you and not because they disagree with you, but mostly because they've stoped listening. If that makes any sense.

This is all one of the primary reasons I don't care to watch basketball. I've tried. I really have. But, every time I try, I see stuff like this. Refs just seem to make up calls at will. And you're right, Shaq was about the worst to watch. Now, I don't realyl watch SportsCenter, but you'd think this would be some huge scandal reported all over the place. IMO, it dwarfs the steroid issue. Sadly, the NFL seems to be heading down this same road. They have entirely too many "judgement" calls that the refs get to make now. There's not a game that you watch that at some point or two or three you're asking yourself "WTF was that?". The game announcers even readily admit they don't know what roughing the passer is anymore.

Is this the 2nd or 3rd time this season an opposing defender made the same comment? It's pathetic that all the fans can see it, the defenders can see it, the TV commentators can see it; yet we keep running it.

Marv's team was loaded with future HOFers. They knew how to play. The current Bills have no idea how to turn it on when they need to. They're coached to be relaxed and they play relaxed.

Practice would help?