Dan

I finally watched the Bucs game. If they play with the same offensive tempo and pace… there’s few teams that can stop them. Allen and the line were completely dialed in. The defense is lacking… we’re missing 3 extremely important players at each level of the defense. That just is what that is. They seem to be getting better with what they have.. but there’s only so much you can do. bottom line: absolutely no reason to think this game is a blowout for Cinci. Posters thinking that haven’t watched the Bills play.

So true. LOL

@BRH is correct. Chiefs need to win… hopefully in a devastating way. Best chance to make the playoffs is to win the division; we need the Fins to lose several so week 18 is a day off.

The team is playing better than their fans are posting based on this place.

I think it’s time to talk about Mahommes…. He just can’t read defenses. And doesn’t look engaged anymore.

Can agree with all that… but as I understand it, Josh likely aggravated his throwing shoulder. So maybe the idea was… let’s run the ball, hang on, and get out of here with no more injuries. ?? Bad idea? Maybe. But the notion that the McD is too conservative forgets all the games that they won by 3 or 4 scores, or all the times they have gone for it on 4th down, or basically anything based on reality and centers on… I don’t feel good about this.

I was not able to watch the game because I was driving through mountains all day. Got home finally and read a few quick articles to see how the game went… who won, how the offense looked, etc. After 3 quick articles at NFL.com, cbs.com, and msn (I think); I was feeing pretty good and positive… almost as though the Bills looked good in a sound win. Then I came here to read some of the local “fan” reaction, maybe get the views of some that attended the game (always love that perspective), and hope there was links to funny memes, post game conference clips, and the like. And wow… now I’m convinced the Bills lost. McD should be fired and we need to rebuild the team from the ground up. We sucked again and will be lucky to win another game all year. In short, this place is becoming a cesspool of miserable takes, negativity, and reactions. How did TBD become so bad?

Screw him and most anyone that thinks he deserves recognition for cheating his way to half those wins. He demonstrated all the worst qualities of a human being for most of his career. He’ll be in the hall of fame and I’ll have to listen to schmucks praise him forever, but he cheated, he lied, he gamed the system to win at all costs. That is the part of his legacy the leagues wants everyone to forget.

But that is the kind of pick that tells me the defense is reading the play as well as the offense. And is why I say Dorsey’s offense - the routes, the formations, the play calls, the blocking gaps - all become too predictable. He relies on perfect execution. That gets you a lot of stalled drives. The best plays are when they go off script, and 4th quarter when Josh says everyone run around I’ll find you.

No. If anyone thinks Mahommes would have identical success on any other team, they’re not grounded in reality.

I’m willing to try anything to get the offense out of Dorsey’s hands.

No it’s not. There’s 10 weeks left… every team is mathematically still alive.

Just here to say… I’m officially on the get a new OC bandwagon. This is the second year in a row… we came out of the gates looking unstoppable. Only to hit a big slump in the middle of the season. Defenses are jumping routes, shutting down the run, and playing half a step ahead of our offense. And Dorsey has no adjustments to make. Add in the obligatory defensive meltdown at just the right times… and here we are. Struggling to look competent. All too often the team looks unfocused, slow, and just out of sync on offense. The defense is good, but one player misses a tackle and they give up 30 yard runs when they need 1 stop.

That’s what I would think. And then when Poyer and Hyde move up… the quick screens are open. I wouldn’t think the Pats stand a chance, but the middle of the D is decimated with both starting DTs and one of the better LBs in the league out. That is far less than an ideal situation. It would really be nice if the offense showed up this week and scored early and often.

Exactly my thinking. Josh running will be far more effective when done sparingly, and in the right situation. For this week, however, I want him just not getting hit! I don’t have the time nor desire to look up each poster’s history, but in general, it seems half the board was consistently screaming for Josh to stop running and we needed a balanced offense. Now… Dorsey is trying to do just that and half the board is screaming…set Josh free and let him run! I just wonder is it the same posters flip flopping? Or did the one half quiet down and now the other half is vocal?

I’m gonna have to agree with you. With a sore throwing shoulder, you really want to avoid as much contact as you can. Prior to reading McD’s comment on it, I was of the opinion 2-3 designed runs by Josh would keep the defense honest, and possibly even settle him into the game. But they shouldn’t “set him free”. Going back to last season, teams were assigning a spy to Josh and baiting him into those runs… only to close it down. Which meant Josh didn’t throw to wide open receivers because he was trying to take advantage of the defense. It wasn’t going to keep working (which is why 1 read and run QBs usually don’t have long successful careers). As I see it now, Beane says… I got you 2 guards, you have a full back, and 2 pounding (1 now) RBs… run the damn ball. Incidentally, a large portion of posters here were yelling that same mantra last season. So the Bills came out in the 2nd half determined to do that and rammed it straight down the Giants teeth. I think/hope these early season struggles are partly because they’re making every effort to change the offensively philosophy. Hopefully, when the cold, rainy weather arrives and they need to sustain long, methodical drives, they’ll have it figured out and be able to get the yards without Josh doing it all. IMO, teams had figured that out and it’s in part why they had all the red zone problems last year. All they need to do this week is win. It can be ugly.. I don’t care. Just keep Josh’s jersey clean, continue to tweak and get the young guys on defense playing well and running the ball effectively. But most of all… just win. Go Bills!

I was wondering about that watching the game. It looked really close to me… but no replays at all. But clearly his knee looks down there. Oh well.

I don’t know about the players expectations, but the fans… at least the ones here… definitely are spoiled by the success and Josh Allen. The 28pt margins of victory and 1 punt games are the rarity, even against bad teams. But fans expect that every week. Because the Bills have been that good. When it mattered most, when the team needed it… they marched for over 10mins and 89 yards to score. Part of the reason they didn’t score for 3 quarters was because that drive was phenomenal and took nearly the entire 3rd quarter. They had 3 offensive drives in the 2nd half and scored on 2 of them. A slightly better throw or a better catch and they seal the game with the 3rd. We don’t even talk about the amazing play and throw Allen made for the 2nd TD.. because it’s just expected now. But that play was something not many QBs can do! Yes, it was an ugly win. Yes, they need to play better to beat the better teams. Yes, I have concerns about our coaching staff. But… it’s far better to have all those concerns after the ugly win than after an ugly loss. Take the win and enjoy the season. There’s still 11 games to be played over the next 3 months. I’m sure many here won’t.. it just seems far too appealing to constantly focus on the negative plays and pine for the perfect coaches like that dude in Denver. Ooooh if only…

I would suggest .. a lot. Daboll knew exactly what Dorsey wanted to do from the first snap.

That 10min drive from the Bills did a lot to gas them.

No one knows the Bills’ offense better than Daboll. He probably knows it better than Dorsey… still. So I expected a close game and that’s what we got! A bit too close, but a win is a win. Rest up, heal up, and move one.

This is such a defeatist attitude. The Bills have to blow out each team, and even then… it doesn’t mean anything. You’re setting up an impossible task… beat every team and any team you deem not good, they should completely dominate. Otherwise, it’s all no good? Come on. The premise of this is all based in unrealistic expectations.

I finally watched the game… IMO the defense played like their hair was on fire, especially considering half the starters were out. AJ should be a defensive player of the week nominee. He was insane. 3 batted down passes, sack/fumble/recovery to end a drive. This was easily his best game. The offense was out of sync most of the game. It looked like the Jags were all over the short stuff, which allowed them to shut down the run game. Dorsey should have turned Allen loose sooner. Once he stared running and throwing deep, they looked completely different. That may be my biggest issue with Dorsey… he’s slow to make adjustments to his game plans. In general… the team looked tired. You could see clearly mid 4th quarter the Bills were gasping for oxygen, while the Jags were like no big deal. I would say the league has their answer… a rested, London home team has a big advantage over a jet lagged team flying in a day or two before the game. The refs gave us no favors! Wow… I woulda thought we were playing the chiefs or pats the way that game was called. Finally, I don’t feel as bad about the loss as I did reading all the reactions here. If not for the fatigue and numerous injuries, I think the Bills win no problem. But they didn’t and now we have significant injuries. That will be the lingering issue.. a tired team suffered huge injuries that could derail the entire season. Thank you Roger. Hopefully we can survive a few games and get through them without any more injuries.

The fact that this was a Bills home game may be the most puzzling. The Jags play in London every year, this was their second game in a row there. If anyone has a “home field” in England it’s them. How/why would you schedule a scenario like this and call the team that travels the home team - thereby removing one of their actual home games from their schedule?? It literally is the same thing as the Bills traveling to Jax to play them, but calling it a Bills home game because well…You wanted to take a home game from one team and give it to another. It’s just crazy to think they did this and didn’t realize how stupid it is.

Completely agree. I’m largely already there. I only watch non-Bills games in passing. For me it’s the referee situation and the completely inconsistent way games are called. It’s hard to watch a game with any vested interest other than Buffalo. I find free feeds most weeks because yeah… how many streaming services do you need to watch all the Bills games… 5? It’s not the money for me either, it’s the principle. Just stop with the greed. Most weeks now you need to spend 20mins just to figure out which service is carrying which game. The NFL is making money, the players are making money, the advertisers and the “networks” make money. Celebrities get box seats. Everyone is doing great.. except the average fan that has supported the league and the teams since they sucked. But that’s the world we live in.