Dan

I have no excuse for Josh’s play on Monday night. I also haven’t read all this thread, so the conversation has probably spin off topic and by now. But just wanted to say that perhaps the most depressing thing about the Monday night blow up was ..Josh has almost always been the best player on the field in the prime time games. He always just finds that extra something to lift the team and will them to a score. But Monday, he wasn’t. He was one of the worst players on the field and the reason we lost. I thought we could lose the game, going in to it. But never, in a million years, would I have thought Josh would be the reason we lost the game. This is maybe the only game I’ve seen that, other than perhaps his rookie year? He just looked uncharacteristically…bad. So, perhaps not an excuse but an expectation… he will play better. Monday was a complete crap fest, I think his record shows that he’ll rebound and not let this one game define the season.

Just a thought… with all the gnashing about Josh and the team…. Could this just be a slow start due to lack of preseason playing time?

My contention is that Dorsey and Josh’s tendencies have been figured out and neither one is willing to adapt. I think they have tremendous success against half the league or more, which serves to convince them that they don’t need to change anything. But the better teams/coaches/players take advantage of these known flaws. Going back to last season, I’ve seen too many DBs jump a route as though they knew exactly where Gabe or whoever was gonna be. Or the middle of the field opens up… Josh takes off to run only to have someone immediately close the gap and hit him for a loss or very small gain. His roll to the right and hit a WR downfield for a big game… defenses wait for that now. Screens and half the run plays are telegraphed and the defense moves presnap to close it down. Josh needs to play within himself, but since about midway through last season… the entire offense has struggled. Yet, we see the same routes, same tendencies, same plays being run. They should have self scouted all summer. I think they just looked at the overall scoring stats and said… good enough. Thats all I got to explain it.

This is another theme going back to last year… opposing receivers make incredible, catch of the week type receptions to seal a win. Our guys ..not so much.

3 plays really stand out to me: 1. The first interception. I’m pretty sure he could have easily ran for the first down and gotten out of bounds. Last minute …throws deep to all the wrong jersey colors. 2. The toss to Cook (i think), that hit the LB In the head. If he leads Cook a bit, it’s likely an easy touchdown. 3. The last fumble. Just fall on the ball in that situation… every time!! Literally just gave the game away with that one play. The overall game plan, however, was too conservative. They played scared and Dorsey sucks at situational football. He has no feel for the game, no rhythm to the playcall, and gets too predictable. Defenses have figured out his and Allen’s tendencies. They’re breaking on a lot of the pass routes before our WRs, and shutting down Allen’s running lanes after flashing them open. Rather than adjust… Dorsey is just throwing random plays at the wall and hoping something works. Allen needs a coach, not a friend. And the offense needs someone else calling the plays.

I experienced far more on the morning of the 11th and in the weeks and months to follow than I would ever care to remember. But I have never forgotten, nor do I think its possible. This time of year always brings a certain sadness to me. The Bills have always been part of my therapy to get back to normal. I’ll be excited for the game, as well, but it will take some drinks to wear off the bitter memories of the morning. Go Bills!

It appears to be a type of wolf spider. They don’t make classic webs and are predatory hunters. They get pretty big. could be this guy… https://spiderid.com/picture/3206/

Thats completely outdated. You now have games on Thursday night, Sunday morning (london games), sunday at 1 & 4, Sunday night, and Monday night. And at the end of the year, throw in Saturday games. To watch them all? You need 4? (I’ve lost count) different paid packages of some sort.

I don’t live in Buffalo. So my question is: is all the irrational negativity prevalent throughout the fanbase and local media, or is it just the internet echo chamber of a place like this where a handful of posters can feed off each other and blow opinions out of proportion to reality? It does seem like this place goes from one player or coach to the next, always needing to denigrate someone and insist they be cut. I’ve never really cared enough to track posters and see if its always the same ones that spend years running a player out of town, only to criticize every move to replace who they said was the worst player on the team. And I’m sure its no worse, but it seems this off season has only gotten worse. The opinions and general negativity surrounding the upcoming season seem worse than any time during the drought. My brother in law used to always be in amazement how us Bills’ fans could always spend the offseason talking about the Super Bowl and we finally were gonna do it… when clearly the team sucked throughout the early ‘00s. Now? We’re closer than ever, and the majority of posts here seem to think we suck worse than ever. I usually just attribute it to the screwed up internet-age we live in where every idiot had a platform to spew. So I wonder, is that what this is? Do we discuss reality of what tje team is, or do the misconceptions and opinions of trolls become the reality?

I think lots of people appear to have this sentiment. But, regarding player safety, this is the worst thing to do. More meaningful games and longer seasons will only wear players down and make injuries, especially chronic ones, far more common. The NFL already walks the line with serious, life threatening injuries. 20 game seasons, with zero warm up, will cross that line. IMO Regarding the OP’s question. I haven’t seen any official league opinion. But i would think they stopped the last two games because it was preseason. But, it is quickly becoming an expectation. I think the league needs to let everyone know what the protocol is going forward. Personally, I wouldn’t suspend a game unless it was a Hamlin type situation. That was unique and far worse, just based on the players faces and reactions.

We simply cannot allow any positive news about this team. Each little nugget of positivity or fun, must be drowned in a sea of negative criticism and despair. A lot of folks need to go enjoy some fresh air and step away from the team.

This. Easily half of Bruce’s sacks wouldn’t have counted because it would be a 15yd roughing the passer penalty.

I did the emoji beer thing. But really wanted to just say thank you as well ..pretty much exactly how i feel reading this board lately.

With all their preseason success, how many times have they won the Super Bowl in the last 5 years? I mean what’s the goal here?

That’s the issue i have with ..this board this week. It was a game that most people didn’t even want Josh or most of the starters to play in. But, when they do and clearly looked to be avoiding hard contact (presumably to avoid injuries) or the coaches intentionally try to put players in a position to learn (e.g., Kincaid blocking, not Knox), then everyone comes here and screams the sky is falling and ready to blow the entire team and front office up for being so inept. Hell, Beane is getting grief for signing a camp fodder LB. Its just ridiculous how bad this place has gotten after a completely meaningless game. You’re so hopeful though, aren't you?

Bills forfeit after firing the HC and OC, trade Josh, cut 3/4 of the rest of the team because they all suck. We tank the season so we can draft another WR. Only bright side is half the posters on TBD get to say, I was right all along.

Ya think?? People are overreacting to the entire game. I know people just like to B word but dang its getting unbearable. It was a preseason game. Priority one is don’t get injured. But folks around here seem to think this game had playoff seeding up for grabs.

I don’t need an internet-based article to prove it. I lived it. It was the K-Gun In reference to Keith McKeller, the TE. When McKeller would come in, the defense would substitute to a favorable package for the Bills Offense. So, they would switch to the no huddle attack to take advantage. Of course, the offense evolved and wasn’t just reliant on which TE was on the field, but that’s how it all began. And, yes, I experienced the Trent Edwards debacle as well. I think any person that experienced the Kelly led no huddle attack, realized that was gonna be a hot mess. Josh, I must admit, may be another story. I’ve often thought he may have the skill set and mentality to run an effective no huddle offense all game. edit: although now a days with OC to QB communications its a different world, all together, when it comes to a QB calling his own plays at the line.

Barkley walking around with the hand held leg massager. LOL

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SingDe00.htm 13 fumbles in 672 carries and 145 receptions. Thats is simply not a crazy high fumble per carry rate. Career catch % ..75.1%. I guess all his drops were in the playoffs?

That is simply not true.

As someone thats never lived in Buffalo, I’ve always had to get my Bills news somehow. At one point, it was Shout!. I loved that paper. Then the interweb came around, and I found the HyperBills site. Unless I’m mistaken, my current avatar logo was used on that site. And like some, I found TBD in its infancy. Been here ever since. In 1998, I was graduating from graduate school and off to NJ. It was a crazy time. Following the Bills and reading the hot takes here have gotten me through a lot of the major upheavals in my life. States, houses, a marriage, girlfriends, jobs, family, friends, web browsers, QBs… they’ve all come and gone. But the stupid hot takes on this site remain. I can’t imagine my daily routine without it. Thank you all and especially SDS for keeping it going. (I do wonder, as said upthread, about the age range here. Its hard to imagine an old school message board still being this active after all these years.)

We have to have a whipping boy… Edmonds is gone. Shakir… you’re up.

Only because Tre White is clearly not back to form.

Agreed. 100%. I still don’t understand the posters upset with last year’s 13 wins… because we didn’t dominate enough while winning. Thats the most odd take I’ve heard going all the way back to last season. This team won. Period. People need to stop expecting every drive to be a score. Its amazing how quickly people got spoiled. The biggest concern I have is the loss of Singletary. Hopefully Cook is ready to make a leap in consistency. I’m not even as worried about McD being the defensive coordinator, as I feel he was very involved with the defense in the past. There are lots of unknowns and question marks with the team to be certain. Buy every team has unknowns at this point in the summer. No reason to just expect all the Bills’ moves were bad and everyone else’s were good. Not till at least October.