Kirby Jackson

JSN if he somehow makes it there. He is a rich man’s Beasley. He’s also capable of playing on the outside. I fully expect him to catch 80+ balls as a rookie.

So 2 to zero. It was not zero as claimed. If Josh Allen had 2 other firsts on offense I wouldn’t think it was enough. It’s still 2 more than now and a start.

It is a bigger issue. If you use the Mahomes example, they made the Brown trade. In terms of draft value it was maybe about the equivalent of the 40th-45th pick. It’s somewhere in that range. They used a 2nd on Humphrey. They used a 2nd on Sky Moore. They used a 1st on CEH. They signed Thuney to an $80M deal. They lost Tyreek (but got 5 picks including a 1&2 for him). They turned around and brought in Ju-Ju and MVS. They traded for Toney who wasn’t properly used in NY. It doesn’t mean that every move was right but they are using prime assets and big money to build that offense. The Bills are not. The Bills traded a 1 for Diggs. The Bills brought in 2 WRs off the streets. They took a “buy-low” shot on Crowder. They drafted a rotational RB in round 2 and signed a washed guard. I guess that the Morse signing would kind of qualify as “investing post-Josh pick.” It just isn’t nearly enough. KC hasn’t loaded up around Mahomes but still have used significantly more $ and prime assets than the Bills. If you look at a team like Philly, their asset allocation is that x 100.

You’re right on Moore (I really thought that he went at the end of round 1). Either way, Mahomes has 2 1st round skill players not zero offensive first rounders as you said. It’s not a ton, but it isn’t none. Josh Allen has ONLY played with Kelvin Benjamin as a 1st. That’s not some narrative. It is a fact. The Bills haven’t taken ANY swings at the top offensive talents entering the draft since Allen came into the league. Since the Allen pick the Bills have drafted 8 players in the 1st 2 rounds (Edmunds, Oliver, Ford, Epenesa, Rousseau, Basham, Elam, Cook). That’s not enough. Basham over Humphrey jumps out as they used the previous 2, top 2 round selections on DEs!! The Bengals drafted Burrow at 1. They then used the 1st pick of the 2nd round on Higgins. They came back the next year and used a top 5 pick on Chase & a 2nd round pick on Jackson Carmen. They still need to build the line but they gave him 2 elite rookie receivers and went to the Super Bowl & an AFC Championship since. The Bills need to give Josh, elite, cost-controlled help. Even if they are wrong, like they were with Ford, they still need to take the swings. An OL & WR in the first 2 rounds is ideal.

Not trying to be that guy but that’s not true. Off the top of my head, Toney, CEH and Moore were all 1st rounders.

You don’t have 12!! I’m calling BS!! Name them 😏

I’m okay reaching on OL or WR. Those are certainly my preferences. There are a bunch of guys that will go between like 15-30 that fit. I’m okay going up a few spots if need be. I don’t view Bijan as just a RB. IMO, he’s capable of being a Henry or Taylor that the offense revolves around. He’s not CEH, Breece Hall or Etiene IMO. He’s a rare anomaly and could win the rushing title as a rookie. You can get a superstar talent at the end of the 1st because the position is so devalued. I’m not advocating for it but I’d be fine with Bijan. I wouldn’t consider another RB until round 4 probably. TE isn’t a preference either. This draft is just strong there. They are saying 4 could go in the first. Players will get drafted later than their talent warrants because it is a strength of this draft. i just don’t think that they can go defense. The only 1st round player Allen has played with is Kelvin Benjamin!! It’s absurd. They are going to give him a top talent to take some pressure off.

They certainly loved those guys but the situation has changed. I could see Skinner, Smith or Battle in round 3. They are going to try to give Josh more. He has been tasked with too much.

They’ll say that they are giving Josh a new weapon. If it is a TE, they’ll talk about how it will hep protect the QB and give him an outlet. If it is Bijan they’ll get one of the 5 best players in this draft. Bijan and Cook is a top 5 backfield tomorrow. A defensive player is tough to defend. “We let so and so walk and drafted a lesser version of them.” It isn’t happening. The 1st 2 rounds will be offense.

I don’t see it. This regime is starting to see some criticism for the 1st time. I’ll be really surprised. I think both TE and Bijan are more likely than defense.

I agree with the top part. I’m simply suggesting that it isn’t a guarantee that the playoff defense improves. I’m hopeful and believe that change was needed. I don’t think that they draft defense. There has been too much focus on the neglect on offense. Kelvin Benjamin is the only offensive player drafted in round 1 that Allen has played with 😂😂. That changes this year. It will either be an OL or WR imo. TE is a sleeper.

I think his point is that “it can certainly be worse.” I don’t think that anyone is saying that Frazier’s defense is perfect. You’d have to be insane though to think that whoever takes over will definitely be an improvement. The Bills defense has been near the top of the league since he got here. It certainly struggled at times but it can ABSOLUTELY be worse with someone else calling the shots. I go back and forth with this. The grass may be greener. It may not.

I honestly believe that Frazier made the decision to take the year off (although I doubt he ever returns). If it were up to the Bills they would have let him go when they could have chased people like Fangio. Additioinally, the Bills would have done it early so that he would have had a chance to get a DC job elsewhere. There is plenty of respect there. It doesn’t make ANY sense for the Bills to make this decision now. I wish Frazier would have done it sooner. Dorsey and McDermott are both in the crosshairs. In terms of players, I could see Hyde taking some heat if the pass d struggles with no Poyer. Everyone will be claiming that Poyer elevated him. The same goes for Milano if there is no Edmunds. Oliver is now getting paid which automatically makes all Bills fans like him less 😂. Anyone on the OL, Cook and WRs not named Diggs are all candidates to have our collective fingers pointed at them.

I bet @26CornerBlitz finally caught @YoloinOhio

I’ll still have them assuming that i stay in Buffalo. If I move south again I may give them up. These winters are BRUTAL.

If that’s the case we are failing in the draft. If you’re using prime draft assets on Boogie Basham, AJ Epenesa, Cody Ford, etc… that’s a problem. You need your prime assets to get difference makers not rotational players.

This!! Forget trying to plug holes and add a few MPH to your fastball. Get better at your strengths and try to hide your weaknesses. Don’t bother trying to raise the bottom; raise the ceiling.

It HAS to be offense imo. Kelvin Benjamin is the only 1st round selection that Josh Allen has played with. That’s ABSOLUTELY unacceptable. I don’t really care if they go WR or OL. I lean WR because it is more impactful but both are desperate areas. They need to draft a minimum of 3 players from those 2 position groups. I think that I’m okay with Bijan Robinson if there are no OL or WRs left that grade out in that range. He is one of the top few players in this draft and would represent an upgrade to the offense. Robinson and Cooks would be one of the best tandems in the league day 1. I don’t love the idea but love the player. If the WRs & OL are gone I’d rather Robinson than defense.

Kelvin Benjamin is the only 1st round selection that Josh Allen has played with on offense!! Unacceptable

Too late, I’m back in Buffalo (was in NOLA). I came back for more money.

Obviously, at some point these teams will win titles. It may not be soon but math basically says that it is inevitable. I think that it is still the Bills but the Sabres will be contending within the next 3-5 years. I think a more interesting question would be Bills or Bengals first? I would have said Bills as off the start of 2022 but I don’t know now. I’d probably say that the Bengals are a little more likely.

Why get butthurt about a player wanting to get paid and be in nice weather? I’ve moved for more money and better weather before. No one criticized me. In fact, many complimented my decision to do what was best for my career. Poyer’s only obligation is to his family. His family lives in South Florida. If he has a chance to play for the Dolphins and get paid, it makes a lot of sense.

Lol, you don’t just dump top 10(ish) players in the NFL because you’re perception is that they aren’t happy!!! That’s RIDICULOUS. Yes, he signed a contract as have all players. I understand that teams can dump players whenever they want and I’m as “player-friendly” as pretty much any fan. The Bills obligation is to do what’s in the best interest of the team. There isn’t a scenario that the Bills benefit by getting rid of Diggs. If he comes to them and demands out, they can trade him for multiple picks (1&2 probably). There other option is to keep him. Ultimately it is up to the Bills and they aren’t in position to jettison there top players. I can’t believe that ANYONE thinks, “if Diggs doesn’t want to be here get rid of him.” That was a WEIRD conclusion to jump to. Passionate, team captain, has sideline outburst because he wants his team to win so badly. They should get rid of that guy…

Lol, at this WEIRD insecurity. This is a note to all of my fellow Bills fans. If you ever “want” to get rid of a player because you think that they want to be somewhere else, you’re sad. If Josh Allen said he wants to play in SF, my take is, “too bad.” Some people are like, “good, if he doesn’t want to be here we don’t want him.” 😂😂 That is THE lamest, most insecure, take in sports. Unfortunately, it is WAY more prevalent in Buffalo than in other markets. Our fan base is SO insecure. It’s kind of pathetic.

Feel free to close. I searched when I raised the thought of Payton because the reactions, at the time, were different than now. It was raised to see how much opinions change in 2 months. Bottom line, is this team underachieved and change is needed. The window is closing (not closed but closing). We missed our best chance at a Super Bowl because we were poorly coached.