Kirby Jackson

MHJ I’ve heard that they love Nabers from a reliable source. I just can’t wrap my head around passing on MHJ. His ceiling is the best WR in football and a HOF career. His floor is pro bowl WR IMO. If you’re spending that kind of draft capital you want both the high ceiling and high floor.

6 is probably the “floor” of where they can go as of now. They could be working contingent deals though with the Titans, Falcons and Bears. I’d imagine that the Bills are calling 4 through 9.

The question isn’t whether or not the Bills are trying to get up for one of the big 3. That answer is unequivocally yes. That’s obvious. The question is, “can they make a deal that’ll work?” That’s the only question.

He’s one of my favorite prospects!! I like Pearsall a lot too.

Congrats!! Those look nice!! It’ll be worth the wait.

I think that’s still a bit aggressive but if they added something like Odunze & Odell they could be top 10ish. I would really like the WR depth but they’d still be a little underwhelming at the top. I feel like it’s a good start though. IMO, the Bills have a couple of strong slot / move guys in Shakir and Samuel. I don’t think either is an elite boundary guy. Having a star though, on a rookie deal, opens up a whole bunch of options moving forward.

It won’t be cheap but, realistically, something like 28, 60, 144, ‘25 1st & ‘25 2nd (preferably ours) would seem like enough. The Bills could still use those 4ths, 5ths, etc… to fill out the depth on the DL & secondary. They’d still have an early 2nd next year (at least in theory).

I’ve had this weird feeling that they were going into the top 10 for a while. I thought that when Diggs was here. If I thought it then, I can’t change now that the need is greater. I can’t shake Beane press conference when he talked about how “he would love a Ja’marr Chase but hopes to never finish bad enough to draft one.” To me, I think that he looks at it as, “swing big on a star WR” and avoid paying that giant bill for 5 years. You can allocate that savings, moving forward to pass rush or whatever. The rising cost of elite receivers makes this the right time to swing big.

This is a tough question for me. I’d love to answer “both.” Legette has the higher ceiling IMO. McConkey certainly has the higher floor. I think McConkey will be better in 2024 because he’s more refined at this point. The answer is that you actually need BOTH of those skill sets still on this team. If forced to choose, I’ll say Legette because what he has is harder to teach. I can find a guy a little later, albeit smaller, but that also separates in Jacob Cowing. I think that it’s easier to find good footwork than it is to find that size/speed combination.

At this rate we should have it completed by the 2025 draft. It Is Daniels or Maye right? I haven’t read a single article suggesting that the Commanders are open for business. Is this new? I’ve seen the Pats and Cardinals out there (potentially Chargers & Giants too). Am I missing something?

Don’t bother. I engaged on this with that person in another thread. It’s either a troll or a 7 year old. Either way, logic (no pun intended) isn’t going to resonate.

Bengals Saints Broncos (or whoever is left over) Thank you again @Virgil

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Really? Of all of the examples you could point to, you pointed to a game where Mahomes completed 17 passes and the Bills best defensive player didn’t play? The Bills leading receiver in that game caught 5 passes for 45 yards. Their leading rusher, shockingly, was the QB that doesn’t have enough playmakers around him. That game is the PERFECT example of why you need to give Josh Allen playmakers.

Lol, I’ll eventually talk myself into that being a good idea but it’s a disaster.

It was just such limited volume (like 38 targets) that I want to see more. He was awesome. I hope that’s the guy that he is with a lot more volume and attention.

I think Kincaid will become an elite weapon. I think he’s a Pro Bowl TE this year.

When did I say that they don’t have “upside?” Please share that post. Otherwise, you’re making stuff up. They could be better than they have been but that is ALL speculation. Their floor is also REALLY low. What happens if Shakir can’t handle volume? What if Shorter never makes the team? What if Samuel is exactly the guy that I said? The Bills, today, have a bottom 3 WR room. I appreciate you listing some of the teams in their tier. I think, currently the Giants are slightly better and the Pats are with Bourne, Juju, Osborn and Douglas. Neither is good but both are better. These are also the teams adding MHJ/Nabers/Odunze who are all better than every single WR on all 4 of those teams.

If you don’t agree, I’ll ask yet again, “who has worse WRs than the Bills AS OF RIGHT NOW?” It’s a simple question. Also, who said that I don’t agree that Shakir has developed? He was really good but with minimal attention and minimal targets. I loved what I saw. We will see how it translates with attention and volume. The point remains the only teams with as bad of a WR room as the Bills are the Pats, Giants and Chargers. 2 of those teams MIGHT add Harrison/Nabers/Odunze.

So I said bottom 3 WR room and it felt like you disagreed. If you are in agreement that they are a bottom 3 WR group, we are on the same page. Obviously that speaks to how big of a need it is.

Which WR rooms are worse than the Bills? That does not include Kincaid or Cook. Which teams have worse WRs than the Bills?

All fair points Rubes!! Appreciate you sharing your logic 🍻

You know what’s one of the most annoying things about this place? When people “object” to something but don’t offer a solution as to why they object. We are going to disagree on here a lot. We will disagree on just about every subject. If you have strong feelings contrary to someone else’s strong feelings, give reasoning as to why you feel that way. It’s even better when supported by data. This should, in theory be a really good thread. There are lots of reasons that you could feel one way or another. But alas, “we have a lot of, I disagree” but little of, “I see it differently and here is why ____.” These conversations need significantly more nuance… If you’re looking for an example of what good looks like, look at @Sammy Watkins' Rib last post. While I don’t agree 100% it is a point supported by data and a plan.

Who is talking about a “long ball?” They don’t have guys that run the 5-9 routes. That is missing. When you don’t have that, you are too easy to defend… I’m not sure that you are following the conversation. I’ll talk slower. The Bills current playmakers, all do their best work within 10 yards of the LOS. Some of them are good once they get the ball in their hands but we will be looking at crowded boxes and not much space. We need the outs and corner routes as much or more than the fly (which we also need). If you disagree, please explain to me, your plan to avoid the safeties at the LOS? I’m curious to know how you’re finding space…