Kirby Jackson

Those guys cost more than Murray (Fournette too). If you asked Beane, “would you rather Zeke or Murray at the same price” the answer would be Zeke. He’s lost a step but still the superior back. He just had/has a higher price tag. As we are into camp their prices potentially drop. I do agree though that Murray makes the team at this point. Before the Hines injury he was likely headed for our practice squad. Now he likely makes the team (unless one of those other guys wants to join a contender on the cheap). Murray is a guy that has been cut recently and on a practice squad as recently as last year. I just can’t put a guy from the Saints practice squad as a lock on this team.

Fair point on Howard (although he had almost $2m less guaranteed than Harty). Harty also is the ONLY player on the roster with his skill set (now that Hines is hurt). That makes him even safer. Howard was brought here to backup Knox, block some and play a little 12 personnel. Harty was brought here to make big plays. There is/was 1.5 WR slots open heading to camp. Diggs, Davis and Harty were 100% in. Sherfield was probably 98% in. Shakir is the 1/2 and he was probably like 80% to make the team. If he was a disaster he COULD have been cut or traded. He hasn’t had a great camp but almost certainly will make the roster. That leaves 1 spot for: Shorter, Shavers, Isabella, etc… The RB was a different situation. Cook and Harris were locks. Gilliam is very likely. Hines was also close to a lock pre-injury. Murray was the Duke Johnson or Mike Tolbert “veteran insurance.” He probably wasn’t making the team before the Hines injury. He still is not a lock though. He has a redundant skill set with Harris, who is ahead of him on the depth chart. It sounds like Murray is having a pretty good camp so he probably does make it. They COULD though turn their attention to Zeke, Dalvin Cook, Kareem Hunt, etc… in which case Murray is out.

Great thought!! I didn’t think about the “young threat” being a bad idea. Get it done!! Mills Mafia!! One other layer to add is if he did show out in that 4 week window, you’d have an elite trade chip. It makes so much sense.

Don’t you have Sherfield as a lock? I think that they are both locks but if only one of the two were to make the team it is Harty. Contracts say a lot about who is a lock vs. who is competing for a spot. Latavius Murray was (and maybe still is) competing for a spot. Deonte Harty is playing meaningful snaps. That was determined long before SJF.

He has $5.25M guaranteed. He is the ONLY guy on the roster with that skill set (especially with Hines out). He is the definition of a lock. It literally costs $1M more to cut him than to keep him.

If you don’t have Harty as a LOCK, you’re wrong. His spot is safer than about 1/2 of the guys you have as locks.

This is, and has been, a concern of mine. Both guys stink. Please don’t give me the, “if Josh Allen goes out we are screwed anyways” nonsense. If he, or any QB misses an extended period of time, the team is done. This is about a 4 week injury. That’s how you have to look at it. If Josh misses a month, “can these guys keep the ship afloat?” With the division improving the Bills would likely need to be AT LEAST 2-2 in that 4 game stretch to survive. I do not believe in either of those 2 scrubs. When your SB window is open, you SHOULD have one of the best backup QBs in the league. I FIRMLY believe that. Trubisky was the perfect example of a guy that could maintain for a month if needed. I wanted Brissett this off-season (he played great football last year). I would have also accepted a late round pick for Davis Mills. It is a massive mistake, imo, to have these 2 behind Josh. Let’s hope that it doesn’t matter. I’d hate to look back at this year and say, “if we only could have won that Pats game that Josh missed…”

Sent There are 2 more (plus parking) left if anyone wants them

I have 4 tickets for the scrimmage tonight if anyone wants them. I’d prefer to give 2 and 2 so more people can go. I know that it’s last minute but we just decided to stay home. The tickets are in the club and food and drinks are included (don’t think alcohol is though). You probably get a little gift as well. The first 2 responses can each get a pair. Just post here and shoot me a DM and I’ll email them over.

I was SURE that he was going to be a star coming out of Alabama. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Worse idea: 1) Trade Gabe Davis in training camp 2) Trade Mario Williams for John Skelton

Why are we doing this? The Bills have the 2nd best odds to win the Super Bowl. They’re not trading their number 2 WR in training camp 😂😂. This is the dumb 💩that had me taking a long break from this place. It went from a brilliant community talking Bills football to threads like this 😂😂. Let’s just be better; it isn’t a high bar.

The same Indianapolis Colts that traded a 1st & 3rd for Carson Wentz?

I liked him better than Zack Moss coming out 🤷🏻‍♂️. That’s not saying much as neither is any good. Hopefully a fresh start gives him a chance to be a depth back.

That wouldn’t be a surprise would it? That has always been the plan. The surprise would be no PSLs.

It’s a fair question and I agree with you. The Bills are more likely to be in the Super Bowl than to miss the playoffs. People have gone WAY too far on the Bills after a terrible playoff performance. The reality is that they won 8 in a row to that point while not playing great. They faced adversity at a level that no team had ever faced. They improved in the off-season. They lost 3 games by a total of 8 points. If they could have properly executed a kneel down vs. Minnesota they were 14-2 with home field throughout. They had the biggest point differential per game in the NFL. The schedule is tougher and others have improved as well. I still expect the Bills to win the division 12-5(ish) and be much better in the playoffs. They didn’t play with that same swagger or sense of urgency last year. I expect that to return and they are an improved team. I’m betting an adjusted spread week 1 as the Jets are overrated and the Bills underrated. I’m laying double digits.

Can’t argue with any of this. One thing to add is a quick shoutout to @Virgil. His mock draft threads remain some of the best on TBD. It is a lot of work but they are fun and interesting.

When Travis Henry left for the Titans he had to sell his TV to a scout to afford the move.

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When I worked in the NBA we started charging $.10-$1 (can’t remember exactly) to print off the open practice tickets. We did it for this exact reason. The first year there were something like 10,000 tickets out there and 1,000 people came. How do you staff for parking, concessions, security? The following year we instituted that minimal charge and there were like 4,000 tickets distributed and 3,000+ people in the building. Obviously, it wasn’t about the money. It was about that little extra commitment of grabbing your wallet, entering your CC and feeling like you’ve committed to something. It also allowed us to track, and build an algothrim, to score engagement of our season ticket holders. This was one of many factors but, obviously, the STH that is attending an open practice is more likely to renew than the fan that uses 70% of their season tickets. We probably developed about 30 indicators and a value to how important each was. In year 1, it was almost spot on. Moving forward, our service team worked to drive the engagement scores to increase renewal percentage.

They only do the event in the Pepsi Club. I’m in Toyota as well (237 row 10).

FWIW, if anyone has clubs there are still plenty of available. I forgot about it and just logged in and was able to get 4 of them. They give parking and free food / non-alcoholic drinks. I don’t know if I’m going to go or not. I’m at camp the day before and find that to be a lot more interesting. If not, I’m happy to donate.

Cleveland Browns win the AFC North

Lol, at people making excuses. Please just stop with the “it’s a great place to watch a game.” It is not by 2023 standards. It’s okay to say that without talking about the “sight lines” or it being a “throwback.” The stadium in Atlanta is 1,000,000,000x better. That’s reality. What is with this Buffalo mentality of not wanting nice things?!? That’s so weird and insecure to me. I don’t get it. It’s okay to want better than what we currently have. I have 100’s of great memories in that stadium. It’s still a dump compared to pretty much every other stadium that I’ve been to. It’s okay to have nice things. Soon enough, we will…