Kirby Jackson

That’s not the case.

That’s based on the secondary market pricing as most teams don’t offer individual game tickets. What that tells us is that the Bills have had huge demand. People are willing to pay significantly more than the season ticket cost (divided by 10). Parking is $40 (I think). Beers are $8.80 each and sodas maybe $6. Hot dogs are about the same. The family of 4 is closer to $375-$400. Anyways, here is what the Bills charge: https://www.buffalobills.com/news/everything-to-know-about-the-buffalo-bills-2023-season-ticket-member-renewals

He’s been a name to keep an eye on. Thomas has lost a step and battled injuries. He’s not the player that he was. With that being said, he’s a target monster. The slant god could eat a bunch of targets and be a possession guy for the Bills. With all of the targets vacated the Bills could do worse than to buy a lottery ticket and hope that you can get 70 catches, 800 yards and 6 TDs.

He’s an important player on this team IMO. That’s tough to say about a 5th round rookie but that’s how I feel. He’s going to have to play some and contribute 5+ sacks. He’s a guy with more production than traits. It’s a little different profile than you usually see from Beane. He is a higher floor and lower ceiling prospect than we typically see. That’s fine in this case. He should be a guy that can be a part of the rotation for the forseeable future. I don’t think that he will ever lead the NFL in sacks like he did the NCAA but will be a contributor for a long time.

I voted Mahomes because his resume supports it. He’s won 3 Super Bowls since he became a starting QB 6 seasons ago. It’s hard for me to say Allen would have done more with the same situation. With that being said, I believe that Josh Allen is the most dynamic player in the NFL. He’s capable of doing things no one else is. Allen is closer to Mahomes than whoever is 3 (Lamar/Burrow/etc) is to Allen.

That’s fair. I liked Carter a lot more than you did. He reminds me of Harrison Phillips (and I mean that as a compliment). WR was just a bigger need than everything else. I thought that it was CRUCIAL to get 2 WRs that could play including one that was in the top 2 on their depth chart. They drafted my least favorite of the top end WRs and didn’t take another guy.

Claypool was sent home from his last team. MVS hasn’t ever been good. Shorter is a former top WR recruit. He parlayed that into 2 schools, minimal production and a 5th round flyer. The difference with Franklin or Malik Washington (who I liked), is you were buying stock in a highly productive guy FROM 2023 that slipped. You were buying production vs. hope for production that hasn’t happened in years.

Lol, I think that the point is, “if Coleman is elite as a rookie, Shakir continues to improve despite additional defensive attention, Claypool plays like he did in 2020, MVS plays like he did in 2020 & Curtis Samuel has the best year of his career, they will be okay” isn’t a high percentage play. I think that’s the point. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely that the Bills have an above average WR room? No. As of today, I think that they are bottom 3. Can that change? Sure. Right now, it’s a bunch of sketchy resumes with an elite QB. We all hope that they hit their peaks this year. It just isn’t statistically likely.

Appreciate the stats. I’d say that’s meaningful.

I don’t agree. I appreciate @BADOLBILZ clarifying facts. If someone says, “FSU was a run heavy team” I assume that’s true. I’m thankful when someone provides the statistics telling the truth. We all form opinions and thoughts on here. The more factual information that we have at our disposal the more evolved our thoughts are. It makes for way better conversation when we all have the same truths as the baseline.

Perhaps I don’t see any of these guys requiring an extra body at this point. That just means that extra body can be used to roam or make certain lanes crowded. Maybe that extra body is used to spy Josh? That’ll make it harder for him to run. There are lots of reasons not having elite skill players hinders your offense. This thought train is just one…

I agree. That’s a different point though. For all of those people “really starting to love the WR room” it’s important to realize that these guys will face scheme and talent that they hadn’t prior. Diggs accounted for A LOT of that. The space will get smaller and the windows tighter. There is not a guy on this team that has Diggs’ talent or separation ability. This room got different. A reasonable argument can’t be made (at this point) that they got better.

I have that answer. Over 60% of the stadium is covered. Most of the upper deck and all of the “sideline clubs” (or whatever we are calling them). Those are covered twice. There is the main canopy over the upper level and low ceilings with radiant heat for both levels of club seats. The seats that will not be covered are primarily through the lower level. That includes that new club section between the 40’s.

The data exists out there. I don’t have the time (or will) to dig it up. I’m confident in saying that “more often than not, in man, Diggs saw the team’s top CB.” I’m also confident in saying, “often he had attention from a S as well.” If you need the actual numbers to support it, feel free to dig them up. I didn’t think that would be a controversial claim.

When someone got shadowed it was him. He regularly saw the #1 CB. He often saw a S over the top as well. He was the main focus of defenses n the passing game (for 4 years). My point was that, now, someone else will see that #1 CB. If they don’t have a S helping, that’s another defender to “roam.” The windows will in turn be tighter. There will be less space for the pass catchers to operate. I’m not sure that is up for debate? Sauce/Ramsey/Gonzalez would have spent their time on Diggs. Now, it will be spent on Samuel/Coleman/Shakir. What facts are you disputing? Are you disputing that Diggs saw opposing team’s best CB? Are you disputing that they often had S help vs. Diggs? Please elaborate…

Easy one for me. Keon Coleman. He was about my 15th favorite WR in the draft (maybe lower). His lack of separation at the college level terrifies me. Apparently it was rough find space for him in OTAs. I hope that I’m wrong and he’s a quality #2 or 3.

The point remains, who’s getting that number 1 corner now? The answer is “someone that’s never seen them with less ability than Diggs.” It’s just a part of the equation that some want to avoid.

I just have a feeling that it won’t be the Chiefs this year. They should be there. My guess is Cincy or Baltimore. I don’t think we have enough weapons. I don’t trust Miami. Houston will come back to earth a little. The Jets are phonies.

Stop gaslighting and post the quotes that you’re claiming… If you like this WR room, I’m happy for you. If you think that they are good, you aren’t following what other teams have at the position. MVS was good enough to get 42 targets, 5th on the Chiefs. He got 1 more than Noah Gray. I agree that Samuel and Shakir are somewhere between 2 & 3. They’re playing as 1 & 2 (with Coleman in a similar place). All of those guys are between the 50th - 100th best WRs in the league.

My goodness. Why would you send 5 WRs out there if you have a bottom 3 WR room? The Bills need to play primarily from 12 this year. Kincaid is their best pass catcher. We have depth because we have about 6 guys that could be 3-5 on other team’s depth charts (excluding the Bears, we don’t have anyone above 4 there). Teams still had to gameplan for Diggs. That freed up so much space for everyone else. Without that threat the windows tighten. We are in a division with Sauce, Ramsey and Christian Gonzalez. Those guys are way better football players than the WRs lining up across from them. I am not trying to be doom and gloom. I’m being a realist. The Bills are absolutely a bottom 3 WR room as of today. Can they outperform that? Sure. They can play well and be bottom 10. They can end up a top 3 TE room and a top 10 RB room. If all of that happens they are okay. They can address the top of the WR depth chart next year. They have an elite QB that covers mistakes. Just because Josh is amazing doesn’t mean that the WRs are. I never said that anyone couldn’t get better. I said that as of today that’s who they are. Please find quotes from me saying, “guys can never get better.” Post them here…

Omg, no. I have read plenty of Cosell. So if he’s a “top of tier 2 guy” he’s 3 levels (at least) higher than anyone currently on the roster. It’s not debatable 😂😂 I agree that it will be up to Brady to scheme them open. That’s the corner that the Bills have backed themselves into by entering July with a bottom 3 WR room. I laugh when people say, “he schemed guys open at LSU.” Jefferson and Chase were his top 2 WRs!! Lol, I could have schemed them open. We will see if he can take a bottom 3 WR room and turn them into a bottom 10 group. It’s possible but on paper they aren’t close to there now.

…with every single guy experiencing more defensive attention than they have in their careers. Expect less space and better players to be across from you. If Diggs was commanding all of the attention, it’s getting pushed to a bunch of guys with less talent than Diggs. That’s really not debatable.

Well, it’s obviously an important reason for the others success. If Diggs was taking the attention of 2 guys (usually including the team’s number 1 CB) someone needs to be doing that for everyone else to have the space that they previously had. My question for you is who is taking the double team?

Who’s doing this now?