Kirby Jackson

They both feel like such bad fits unless they add a speed guy in FA like Hollywood. 🤣🤣

Sure, but they will have had 3 guys break the .40 record in the last 2 years!! I know Bond started at Alabama but that’s insane. Blue just ran .440

Isaiah Bond is saying that he will break the .40 record (as is Jaydon Blue). If they run as fast as they say, I want whatever is in the water in Austin.

Well not on their bills accomplishments anyways (Von is headed there). Diggs has a shot too and the Bills would be a big part of that but point taken. Give Josh Myles Garrett and he wins.

If you have Kelly ahead of Josh, you should probably have Jalen Hurts over him as well. The reasoning would be similar. He’s a top 5ish QB that’s a winner. He’s been great in the 2 Super Bowls. There isn’t one Bills fan that I know of that ranks Hurts ahead of Josh.

For the people that have Kelly over Allen what is the reason? Please don’t use the Super Bowl argument because the talent gap between those teams is wide. If you believe that Allen wouldn’t have accomplished what Kelly did with those teams, we disagree but at least it’s a “reason.” Otherwise, if you look at every element of playing QB, and put them side-by-side there’s not a single check in the Kelly column. He’d admit that. I think that part of the reason that it annoys me is that there is no logical reason to have Kelly over Allen. Any argument made is a lazy one. Now if you liked Kelly more, that’s cool too. But to try to argue that he was the better player is borderline crazy at this point.

Perfectly said!! The future IS now. We have 5-7 years left of prime Josh Allen IMO. Every decision should be made through that lens. Anything after that is a reset anyways. All in

Bryce Paup had a 17.5 sack season, 6 sack and 9.5 in a Bills uniform. Don’t you think he benefitted from playing opposite Bruce?!? He was a great player for a year but teams adjusted. Mario didn’t have that. He was the superior player.

There’s certain “takes” amongst Bills fans that annoy me. The Kelly over Allen take is one of them at this point. There’s not a single thing that Kelly does better. When someone says, “yeah, but he went to 4 Super Bowls” I immediately dismiss them. Those teams had like 5-7 HOFers and 7 guys in the Pro Bowl every year. This year, the Bills had 1 other guy make the Pro Bowl. When the top 100 players in the league came out, they had a guy in the 90’s and Josh. They still won the division at Thanksgiving. If Allen was the QB of those early 90’s teams, they’d be considered the greatest team(s) ever. I think it bothers me because we are watching the greatest player we’ve ever had (with respect to Bruce), in his prime, dominate. Enjoy the ride. In 20 years, you’ll look back on this era and be like, “holy $#%* that guy was incredible.” Don’t wait for the nostalgia to appreciate it like we are Jim. Appreciate it in real time. We may never experience this again. Josh isn’t “good.” He’s the best player in the league and playing the most important position. Don’t overthink it.

100%!! He’s no worse than 7 and you could make a case as high as like 4. He wasn’t flashy but did a lot well. For example, stack his per game next to Bledsoe and I’ll bet it isn’t close (especially after Bledsoe’s first 8 games).

How in the world can you have this list and not include Peterman?!?

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If anything it widens the gap. Do we think bigger, slower LBs chasing Allen is an advantage to Kelly?

This whole exercise is comparing across eras. Kelly was the steward of the best team in football (much like Jalen Hurts this year). He was a very good player (much like Jalen Hurts was this year). He led an elite roster to great places and was a pro bowl player along the way. He made it to the HOF. Josh Allen is arguably the most dominant player in the sport. He’s the most valuable player in the league, playing the most important position. The Bills won a lot even when Reich was in. They won with Kelly and, at times, because of Kelly. This generation of Bills almost always win because of Josh. He’s almost always the best player on the field. Kelly was never the best player on the field. This isn’t mean as hate on Kelly but the gap between the 2 is wide. One was a great steward of a historically great team. The other IS the reason that the team is great. There isn’t a debate as to who is better. I saw every game that both played. We remember those early 90’s teams fondly but we often misremember why they were so great. It isn’t because they had one of the best QBs ever. They were the best roster in football with a top 40 all-time QB. Josh Allen will be a top 10 all-time QB.

Kelly led one of the greatest rosters in league history!!! He was a top 5-10 player on that team. He’s not close to Josh Allen.

If you have this team and the early 90’s teams had both QBs, who starts? It’s a rhetorical question. The gap from Allen to Kelly is as wide as Kelly to who is 3rd.

Sports are kind of funny. Rousseau is a way better player than Hollins or even Ty Johnson. I would much rather see them bring back those guys vs. extending Groot. I just think he’s a high end role player. He’s an 8 sack guy that’s generally pretty good against the run. I don’t want to pay him like a top 10 defensive end. That’s not good cap management. The gap from Groot to another role playing DE isn’t enough to justify the $15M AAV difference in price. At $12M AAV, sign me up for years more. At $20M+ AAV that feels like terrible value. He’s more like a 4% of the cap guy and not a 7% or 8% of the cap guy.

Allen and Kelly isn’t a debate at this point. Allen is 1 and Kelly is 2. It honestly isn’t that close. Please, please, please don’t use the Super Bowl argument. If Allen had Kelly’s roster he would have won 3+. Also, Bledsoe sucks. If you remove the first 8 games and look at the rest of the time, it’s Losman or EJish. He is far too high and his success was just 8 games. He was atrocious after that. I’ve pulled the numbers here before but couldn’t search it (assuming it’s from the ever switch). At any rate he had as many turnovers as TDs, led the league in sacks and a horrible completion percentage. Allen Kelly Kemp Flutie Fitz Tyrod Ferguson Bledsoe Orton Rob Johnson *I am only considering starters.

Mario was the best. Schobel may have had the best career here but Mario was the best player.

This is the equivalent of the NBA 2 minute report.

He might be. I’m on team “don’t put Groot” though. He’s a good role player to me. As soon as he becomes a $20M a year guy, I don’t want to have my team with that contract. I would love if he had positive trade value and went out on a deal for Garrett (obviously if he’s available).

We don’t disagree on spending. We disagree on Rousseau. You use AJ Brown as an example. If we were talking about Brown, do whatever is needed. You can’t pay role players $20M+. The $25M spotrac number makes me even less inclined. Regardless of the cap increases, it’s a bad idea to pay role players star money.

That’s fair. I think we will see some movement but maybe not with Garrett. I could see Crosby or Hendrickson going.

This is a hard no from me. I think he’s a pretty good player. This is like resetting the QB market for Tua to me. Rousseau is a $12M a year guy that’s about to be a $20M a year guy. He should be used as a trade chip this offseason to acquire an elite defensive lineman.