Kirby Jackson

Yeah, he was traded elsewhere where he will start. You don’t just start a start a bum because he is different. You don’t just draft a guy because he is there and you are set on getting a QB (see EJ). Peterman got a chance that most 5th round QBs never see and failed MISERABLY. Why should he keep getting opportunities that he doesn’t deserve? Bad QBs come and go all of the time. The people that thought he was an option were woefully wrong. It may very well have been the decision that cost Dennison his job. He was the one pushing for it and was proven wrong. Peterman is fighting desperately for a roster spot. He should be praying that th Bills don’t trade up. If they do he is 50/50 at best. No reason to protect a 3rd string QB with limited upside. You can keep an extra RB, WR, OL, DL, etc.. that can actually play and help the team. Asked another way, how will Peterman help the team more than Brandon Reilly?

This was interesting to me: That would be the equivalent of Pegula’s pall bearers being Russ Brandon and his staff along with Brandon Beane. That is the CEO, GM, EVP of Marketing, CFO, EVP of sales, head of PR and a few others. That is strange but speaks to the weird dynamic here. He surrounded himself with “yes” men and now they are literally “surrounding him.”

I said the EXACT same thing about Yates last year (and was right). More than half of the NFL teams only carry 2 QBs. The Bills have Thomas and may bring back Webb. Those guys have each started NFL games at QB. They can finish a game in an emergency (did last year). You can add a more capable player on the street on Monday. Peterman hasn't shown that he belongs on the roster. Better prospects, Garrett Grayson, haven’t made it to year 2 either. I don’t think Peterman is good and so far I am right. If you look back and agree that Peterman was the right option in LA we disagree (and I was right on that too).

Now that I’ve been corrected I will continue t respect your opinion as well.

Touché, I just saw a pass to Tolbert. I assumed. My fault

You think it was the QB’s idea to split Tolbert wide on 3rd and goal from the 17 and run a slant?!? Come on you are better than that. FWIW, Taylor’s stats were better than Edwards across the board anyways. If you think Edwards was a better QB I no longer respect your opinion on football.

I’ll give the same answer I said last year with Yates (and he was cut). If you can pick the guy back up of the street (or even a better option) why use the roster spot on him? If you cut Peterman he almost assuredly makes it back to the PS (unless Dennison gets his way again). If he doesn’t, who cares? Cutler, Stanton, Gabbert, Geno, EJ, Cassel, Anderson, Moore, Sanchez and Osweiler all are out there. Some will remain unsigned. If, god forbid, your QB goes out for an extended period would you rather have Peterman or one of those guys as your number 2? They have all had more success than him to date.

That is exactly what I hoped (and thought) when they drafted him. I thought he could be a heady backup that could keep you afloat for a 4 game stretch. I don’t think that now but am not completely ruling it out either. I wasn’t as low on him as Gunner and Blokes and they watched WAY more of him than me. That is scary. The guys that have watched him the closest like him the least. He is going to have a tough time being on this roster IMO. If they trade up and have Rosen and McCarron (for example) and Dennison gone, why keep him? He may be a PS guy but it feels like a roster spot that would be better served on someone like Reilly.

I ask it the other way around. Why do people believe in Peterman so much more than Levi Brown? They were both long shots with limited ability.

They were actually supposed to come together but a winded Dansby said “you go ahead and I’ll catch up.” The next day, he arrives in Buffalo.

Is Denver trying to move up? I certainly think it’s possible but I haven’t seen many people linking them to 2. That’s a big price to pay for them. After Keenum I’d expect them to stay at 5 if the Giants don’t trade out and maybe go to 4 if QB’s go 1-3. I think that they could also stay at 5 and take Nelson. The Giants have the pick that everyone wants, the Bills have the package that the Giants want. Both have some leverage. It’s just different. If the Giants want to pick 2 they will. If they want the biggest return it is from the Bills.

I believe that they can’t trade 2021 still. I dont think anyone thinks that it will be easy. If the Bills make the deal that ICB suggested they are paying a massive premium. I’m still of the thinking that they should do it but the 2019 1st shouldn’t be on the table. Just keep adding from this year. They can certainly get it done (if the Giants are willing to move).

I’ll admit that it is less than I thought. I would have thought that it was closer to half of his yards. He’s so explosive with the ball in his hands. There will be some LONG runs at the next level too. When Lamar has space, look out.

Get well Zay!! Take care of yourself; you’ve got a long life ahead of you. Don’t be afraid to ask for help.

Ha ha, I just saw this and came here to post it. It’s kind of interesting. It certainly flies in the face of “one look and takes off.” I didn’t know this before seeing the tweet. I’d be interested to see how many plays were scramble plays? Basically, what percentage of his drop backs result in a run?

Good conversation and thanks for breaking out this topic @HappyDays!!

It’s certainly possible that they don’t want to go down. The Jaguars once wouldn’t trade down with us because they were worried about losing Reggie Williams. We thought that the deal was done to get Roethelisberger. The Giants may want a QB and that pick probably won’t be available. The Browns at 4 are an interesting wild card. It depends on how the Bills have the QBs ranked.

I don’t think so either. They have a bunch of picks this year but I don’t see them beating that Bills offer. No one else is even close.

Teams do but the Bills have such a haul that they put everyone else in a bad place. They can give 2 firsts, 2 seconds and still pick 3 times in the top 96!! Other teams would be gutting themselves. As an example, look what Arizona would have to give to match that: something like 15, 47, 79, and next year’s 1 and 2. No team is going to give up their top 3 picks one year and their top 2 the next. They would go consecutive drafts with adding a guy before the 3rd round of 2019. That would just get them in the conversation with that Bills offer. It’s still probably worse.

Maybe but the Bills can offer 1 more first in any situation. It is basically impossible for any team to match the Bills. That’s the point. We have no idea where they draw the line though. If every team included all of their assets the Bills would get the pick. Said so much more clearly GB, if the Bills offered 12, 22, 53, 65 and next year’s 2 what would be Denver’s most competitive offer?

Sure, the Eagles did for Wentz, the Skins for RG3, etc... That’s why I asked what packages a team could put together to trump 12, 22, 53, 65 and next year’s 2nd? It’s 156% premium according to the chart. Who can do that (this question is for anybody)? They certainly can (and may) keep 2. I think that it comes down to if they are going to go QB or not. If they want QB they stay. If they are thinking anything else I think that they have to take the picks.

Learned something new today, thanks GB!!

No team has ever given up 12 straight first rounders either. Is that realistic?

Looks like Zay’s dad has had some beef with TMZ in the past. There’s some irony here: https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboysheadlines/2015/06/23/former-cowboy-robert-jones-sues-tmz-for-libel-after-site-alleged-he-hired-hit-man-to-kill-agent

Find me the last team to trade 4 consecutive 1sts...I’ll wait....each year that you wait for a pick gets knocked down a round...fwiw, that draft would probably have a lower point value (but I too would take it). The point was, what realistic scenario can be done? Take the actual picks that a team has.