Kirby Jackson

I’m not even sure we are disagreeing here. I’m not saying that they will hand Allen the job day 1 if they don’t think he’s ready. I also am not naive enough to think that he is here to compete for playing time. These guys invested their careers in him. That’s the reality of the NFL. Coaches and GMs will be judged on their 1st round QBs. Whenever they think he’s ready the job is his.

A couple of things: 1) They didn’t guarantee McCarron $12M. They gave him $7.9M in total guarantees with an out after year 1. 2) The entire locker room and fan base knows the deal. McDermott isn’t losing any credibility by playing the 7th overall pick. I’m actually shocked that everyone doesn’t see that as an inevitability.

That’s pretty naive to think that. There hasn’t been a QB EVER picked in the first 10 picks that wasn’t given the job. The Bills used a 1st and 2 seconds in him. They didn’t do that with the intention of a competition. Peterman even knows that. The Bills traded away a functioning NFL QB, didn’t sign someone like McCown or Teddy. They cleared the deck. That was because they wanted Allen to have it open.

We get so insecure all of the time. The national media doesn’t want Allen to fail. They really don’t care what he does. Allen happens to be one of the most polarizing QB prospects in a long, long time. He has an elite skill set with a spotty track record. Some people think he’s going to be amazing and some think the exact opposite. What people “think” and what they “want” aren’t the same thing.

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You sound like you think the Bills are making a decision between the 2. They aren’t. They made the decision as to who their guy is going to be. It’s 100%, without question, Allen. It may not be week 1 (but it may be) and it will be for a couple of years at least. The question is “does Peterman’s play matter at all to Allen’s timeline?” I don’t think that it does personally. The only thing impacting when Allen plays is Allen.

This is where I’m at with it. He’s a lock IMO. He can do more than the other backs. He’s just better then them (outside of Shady of course).

I think it’s the Browns. They have a more talented roster and a LOT more depth.

This is a wise move. The CB depth is not good. Adding a quality NFL player (even if he has some issues) is a good decision.

I don’t disagree that Allen looks like the best of the group already. That isn’t shocking either. They cleared the deck for him. This question may have made more sense 24 hours ago but taking out our biases it still has some merit IMO. If (not saying that they do) the Bills believe that Peterman gives them the best chance to win now, who plays? I still think it’s Allen.

I don’t necessarily disagree as it’s playing out that way. The point was if the Bills are comfortable with either guy (or McCarron pre-injury) who would start? They might believe that Allen is at a point where he cannot be ruined but Peterman gives them a better chance to win. It’s kind of like the Savage - Watson situation last year. I’m not saying that’s the case but it’s an interesting discussion IMO. What takes priority, winning now, or developing Allen? Those don’t necessarily have to be different but if they are which way do the Bills go?

Tyler Dunne just tweeted it. That was AWFUL.

This discussion has been had in various threads and thought that it may be wise to break it out and attach a poll. I’m of the belief that the play of McCarron and/or Peterman has little to no effect on when Allen plays. In my opinion, he is playing when he’s ready. Hypothetically, as of opening day the Bills believe that Allen is ready to play but Peterman gives them a better chance to win. Who do you think starts?

Nope, it was a blown assignment by the Browns. They broke it down on NFL Total Access this morning. The safety was supposed to roll to that side of the field and didn’t. O’Leary was uncovered.

I never lost my swagger. I said that all 3 played well in PS game 1. Also, said that Allen would start getting 2nd team reps after that game (and he did). The plan is, and has always been, to hand Allen the job when he is ready. He certainly looks ready at this point. Let him run with the ones next week and never look back.

I kind of like your thought process here. Let’s sign another young guy to take some preseason snaps and maybe even be a PS guy. You’ll only have to keep 2 QBs if that’s the case. These guys are cheap options that may have a chance (even a small one).

Well said!! I am okay with Groy and Miller. Mills is decent in the run game. In general though the OL has holes. If I were to rank my OL concerns Dawkins would be last. It would look like this: - Vlad - Mills - Miller - Groy - Dawkins

Pretty good summation right here. It is NOT a good group. Hopefully enough of these different skill sets will blend to make it work.

Not worried as Garrett is a stud. Next to QB, elite pass rusher is next on the list. Dawkins had a good camp. He just ran into a monster. I’m hoping that the Bills can add one of those monsters next year (or this year Khalil Mack).

I guess the point is, it doesn’t matter. He’s the guy best equipped to lead the offense now and into the future. He can just do things that others can’t. He will take his lumps for sure but that’s fine, all young QBs do.

I said it in another thread but is the line going to be better in week 4? Week 8? The Bills can’t just redshirt Allen because they’re scared that the line won’t hold up. If you are going to redshirt him it’s because you don’t think he’s ready. If you like what he’s capable of he needs to play behind that line for this year and it can be worked on in the offseason.

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I respect that this is the mountain that you are going to die on. The reality is the difference in talent is so obvious. As Darren Woodson said, “Allen looks like he is going to be a superstar.” There is literally no reason to have him on the bench. He may be their best QB already and has looked the part. We all know that sooner or later he is getting the keys. My question is “why wait?” Also, I accept Venmo

...and it’s fair. With that being said, he’s big, strong and elusive. He has a better chance of succeeding under pressure than the other 2.

Oh, it could be bad. It also could be a GREAT thing for his development. Throw him in the deep end and see how he swims.