Kirby Jackson

I’m sorry, if you think that anyone believes Mack will get more targets than Coleman. No one believes that. What some of us are bothered by, is that there was a scenario, that the Bills could go into this year with Mack Hollins and their top pick, neck and neck. FWIW, on the “rookies earn it part” the Bills had 2 rookies last year that were on top of their positions on the depth chart. That’s just BS. This isn’t high school. You don’t make “rookies earn it.” You play the best players on the team. You let your top 2 WRs go. You entered a historically great WR draft and left with one guy battling for the 3rd spot on one of the worst WR depth charts in the NFL. That’s almost not possible. Whoever the WR that they picked should have walked across the stage, shook Goodell’s hand, and been the best outside receiver on the team. They should have taken at least one more guy as well. That guy (Javon Baker for example) should also be playing ahead of guys like Hollins/Claypool/MVS/Isabella/Hamler/Shavers. The fact that the Bills let it get to a point where, 3 days before the start of the season, Mack Hollins is a viable option, is the failure. No one believes that Hamlin will play ahead of Bishop all year either. That is just this way for now because Bishop missed a lot of camp.

I liked the Samuel addition. I’m on record as saying that they either had to trade for Ayiuk, Higgins, etc.., trade up to draft 1 of the Big 3 or take AT LEAST 2 of the top 10-15 WRs (Coleman MAY have been 1 but had him near 15). They needed a number 1. That was clear as day. Those were the avenues to get 1. They had to get a proven star, 1 of the Big 3, or 2 bites at the apple (McConkey and Mitchell for example). Taking a raw WR, after trading back twice, doesn’t do much to address your biggest hole. I don’t blame the players for not being good enough. I blame the organization for letting it get here.

No one sees that. What we see is Mack Hollins’ spot on the depth chart and ask, “how the hell is that possible in 2024? How can you have Mack Hollins as a guy playing snaps with Josh Allen as the QB?” That’s where the disconnect is!! It isn’t about Hollins playing 87% of the snaps. It’s about the Bills needing to play a scrub like Hollins at all because they neglected the 2nd (or 3rd) most important position in football.

Spot on

Man, you STILL don’t get it. The fact that Hollins and Coleman are COMPETING is the failure. You could NOT use your first draft pick on a guy that isn’t light years ahead of that scrub. The Bills own depth chart says that’s the case. You’re just referencing ESPN and CBS to fit your narrative. The reality is that they are splitting time. And yes, Hollins is a scrub. You could insert 50 guys from practice squads and get equal production with equal opportunity. He’s just a guy. He’s Sherfield. He’s Crowder. He’s McKenzie. He’s Hodgins. What’s dramatic about trading back? They traded back twice. That’s 100% true. Spinning it any other way to fit a narrative is disingenuous and just false. They were desperate for a WR and said, “I’ll take my chances moving back a few slots (twice).” Clearly you don’t do that if you love a guy. There is nothing dramatic about it. That’s what happened. On Keon’s camp, slow down. He was okay. They were talking about it a lot on WGR lately. Today they said, he had minimal to no separation all of camp. He made some big plays. That’s what happened. Let’s not just pick and choose the good to fit our narrative. Let’s live in reality. It was up and down (which was to be expected). You’re misleading everyone with this “elite camp” nonsense. They were literally talking about his lack of separation on the extra point show today. I’m not trying to pick on you but I’m tired of the hyperbole on here (good and bad). We literally are lying to ourselves to create false narratives to make us feel better about things. This place is way better in reality. The Bills have an elite QB. They’re very good at corner and TE. The OL & DL look to be fine. The LBs and RBs have some ability. The WRs have some role players but are a bottom 3 group. That’s okay. We don’t need to pretend things are different than they are.

The Bills have a bottom 3 WR room. There is no reason to believe a team in that state is playing scrubs like Hollins. Yes, he’s a scrub. Him playing isn’t something that we should be celebrating. He’s been in the league for a while and never been any good. That speaks to the quality of the WR room. Other teams are laughing at that. The Bills aren’t the Bears or the Dolphins or the Texans where they can have good guys sitting behind studs. The Bills WRs are not good compared to their peers. They cannot have their 1st pick behind Mack Hollins. If that was ever their intent, everyone should be fired. That’s what they said on their own depth chart, not whatever ESPN is guessing. The Bills didn’t value the position. They traded down twice and took the 8th or 9th WR (I don’t remember which). He was up and down all offseason. Everything on his scouting report, good and bad, has held true through camp. The Bills didn’t have the luxury of a project that will open behind Hollins. They needed an immediate contributor. Let’s just hope that they don’t waste a season in the middle of Josh’s prime…

Fair I believe that they knew Coleman was a high ceiling, low floor guy. I don’t believe that they thought he would open the year behind Hollins. That just isn’t logical. It’s possible that they thought other rookies may start faster (McConkey for example) but over time Coleman would pass them. That I’ll buy. I just don’t think that they’d take a guy, as desperate as they were, that would open up behind a journeyman.

No reason to believe that Diggs didn’t ask for a trade. The Bills weren’t dying to take on that dead cap hit. Whatever, we move on…

100% agree. I do stand by my point though, that a wr starved team, didn’t use their 1st draft pick on a guy that they expected to open the season behind Mack Hollins on the depth chart. That’s unquestionably a fail (at this point).

Upon further, further review: https://www.buffalobills.com/team/depth-chart

I think that it depends how we define “breakout.” I pulled up a couple of fantasy cheat sheets. One projects him at 55 and the other at 60: https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/rankings/wr-cheatsheets.php https://www.espn.com/fantasy/football/story/_/page/FFPreseasonRank24WRPPR/nfl-fantasy-football-draft-rankings-2024-wr-wide-receiver-ppr Do I think that he finishes higher than that? Yes, of course because of the opportunity. He will see some volume and has been very efficient on limited targets. Tyler Lockett finished 35th last year with 79/894/5. That feels realistic. I think he could elevate to that level and even to the Stevie Johnson level. Right now, Shakir is viewed as a low end number 2. It’s realistic, imo that he becomes a quality number 2 by the end of the year. The Bills still have a glaring hole at the top of the depth chart (unless Coleman unexpectedly becomes that guy). Shakir, Samuel and Coleman can be strong role players moving forward. The Bills need the 3 of them to combine for 2400 receiving yards. That leaves 1600-1800 for everyone else.

Mitch Please! School of Hard Knox

So you googled his stats? You do realize that he was an in the box safety primarily, correct? My brother in Christ, Roman Harper’s best season was not in Carolina. Please, I’m begging you. This isn’t helping your point. If you want to talk Coleman or Poyer, sure. They both thrived under McDermott. Harper was a pro bowl safety and Super Bowl Champ in the same year. Harper had a 6(ish) year run in New Orleans where he was one of the best safeties in football. He went to Carolina when he was washed.

Eagles, Bears and 49ers followed by Miami for me

Lol, Roman Harper didn’t have his best year in Carolina 😂😂. He went to the Pro Bowl and won the Super Bowl in the same year. Roman Harper’s best years were in New Orleans. This is like saying Jimmy Graham will be remembered for his time in Green Bay. I understand that he’s trying to make a point. Adding in things that aren’t true though to “strengthen that point” doesn’t work. Also, who is questioning if McDermott can develop DBs? That’s not a thing. Everyone knows that’s his strength.

Welp, so far so good for McMillan 🤯

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Jeremiah Smith…

I’d sell my first born for Jeremiah Smith

Hunter is so good!! Shadeur is okay. In a weak QB class, I can see him graded like a Bo Nix was. His brother loves to hit people late, huh?

Luther Burden Tetaiora McMillain

I generally use the Top 100 (regardless of who does it) as guidance for the “elite” players. In theory, each team should average about 3. What you’ve seen though, is the top teams, generally have somewhere between 5 & 7. The Bills had 1 on a few of the lists and Dawkins was like 95 on the other. In past years, Tre, Milano, Dawkins, Diggs, Poyer, Taron & Hyde could all be considered elite. Now, Dawkins and Taron are on the fringe. No one else warrants consideration for elite yet (Oliver, Rousseau, Kincaid, and Bernard can elevate to that after this year). They also may not develop to that level. This Bills roster is not talented compared to the last few years and is average (at best) compared to other NFL rosters currently. They just happen to have an elite QB. Nope, I said “that the 2018 roster was garbage because of all of the dead cap money.” That’s the same situation as this year in terms of sacrificing talent to reset the cap.

He is for sure. His average year, in his prime, is what I’m hoping for. It’s something like 75-80 catches, 900ish yards and 8 TDs (I didn’t calculate it but briefly looked at his numbers). https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GateAn00.htm Who said he did a bad job? Go back and read what was written…

I do believe Kincaid has elite potential. Hopefully no one confuses that with Kelce/Gronk upside. Those guys are the best ever. I think Kincaid can be like prime Gates or Jimmy Graham even. He can be as good, or even a little better, than Andrews is now.

I think when you have a lot of late round picks and UDFAs making your team it speaks more to the quality of your talent than to theirs. The Bills had to keep cheap guys this year because of the dead money. It’s the same reason that they ran that garbage roster out there in 2018. If you have the choice to hit early, or hit late, the answer is early 100% of the time. This team has always had good depth and a balanced roster. Finding quality players has been easy. Finding elite players has proven to be quite difficult. You win championships with elite players. The Bills have 1.