Kirby Jackson

Look at the team when he is off the floor...that will tell you everything that you need to know.

I think that you are drunk. He elevates everyone around him. The exact opposite is true. LeBron could go to about half of the teams in the league and win a title immediately. This team he has in the finals now would win 25 games without him.

I watched half of the stadium in Jacksonville filled with Bills fans. Between flights, hotels, food and tickets it had to be $1,000 per person per game. There were 10-20k Bills fans in Atlanta and Carolina as well. I don’t believe that it’s unreasonable at all to pay $100 to $200 a ticket (downstairs) like everyone else in the league does. I don’t for one second think that would equate to a “barely attended stadium.” A nice 65,000 seat stadium would be a great start. A new stadium comes with a clean slate and a culture change. That isn’t to say that tailgating and everything will go away. That is a part of our traditions. Perhaps people getting chokeslammed through flaming tables or throwing bottles at opposing fans will change though?

I like it!!

I’ve been pretty clear on my desire for a new stadium. It is nice on the road to not have people urinating in the sinks, passed out in the concourse or throwing up on the people in front of them. I would be willing to pay more for a better environment. I guess that makes me a bad fan...

That’s makes sense then. I think Allen will see most of his work early with the younger guys down the depth chart. It may not be until camp that he starts working in with the starters. They will be sure to make that happen though. At some point this year we will likely see Allen. I was under the assumption that he would need a year on the bench but it doesn’t sound like that’s the Bills plan.

I guess where I differ is that they aren’t going to give Allen the 3rd most reps (regardless of where he is on the depth chart). He’s the guy that they are grooming. He may not be ready to go Day 1 but it won’t be because he didn’t get the snaps. He will get as many reps leading into the season as anyone.

I don’t have a goal. It may be completely genuine (and I hope that it is). The Bills seem to be heading in a great direction. If Allen can play we may be talking about a contender at this time next year. It’s exciting. The only point that I made in this thread was “don’t read too much into those comments because it’s the same thing owners always say about one another.” That’s the only point and for some reason that’s not acceptable for some. I guess the disconnect is that we don’t view that stance as negative. We view it as common sense to not read into it. When the opposite is said we do the same thing. When Omar Kelly says “the Bills suck” we dismiss that too because it is coming from him. It’s the same message and he has an agenda. These owners are partners not competitors. It’s to all of their benefits to say positive things. Omar Kelly is looking to rile up Bills fans. It’s in his best interest to say negative things. I don’t put much weight into either scenario.

Not trying to decrease the impact!! The point is it isn’t impactful. You could plug any other owner’s name in and get the same comments to NoSaint’s point. The initial premise of the thread (which is still lost on you) was that these comments mean something. They don’t. Go back and read the initial post. I responded to the topic. I don’t care at all if they say positive things on the record. I’m actually surprised that some people are naive enough to see this as anything more than general lip service.

Not negating anything just trying to be intelligent enough to know that’s it’s a puff piece. Bills fans are so desperate to be “good enough” that they seek anything positive as a sign of validation. This story doesn’t tell us anything. That’s not be negative; it’s being honest. As I've said about 30 times on here Kim has a vital role moving forward. Her unique perspective is important to the NFL. I’m still waiting for someone to provide quotes of owners talking negative about other owners on the record? If you want to start posting them I’ll be impressed that they said nice things. If not, this is just the same thing that owners always say about each other.

I would feel totally differently because it would be WAY out of character for an owner to bad mouth another owner. That would be all over NFL Network and ESPN. It would be a story. Owners saying nice things about one another isn’t a story.

Ha ha, no problem (as long as you were drinking good beer).

I wouldn’t know Iron Maiden if they were in my living room. I appreciate your dedication to trying to spark conversation on them though. You have my respect. You need to tag @Buffalo Barbarian though. He will be in on this conversation (at least I think).

Now the game is over, so I guess I should respond. You did ask a question. I think that that you are finally getting there. “They have no reason to answer dishonestly?” If they say anything even remotely disparaging it’s a mess. If they say “no comment” it is interpreted as a negative. If they say something nice it is a non-story. This is you telling your in-laws “it was great.” Maybe it was? Maybe it wasn’t? It is much easier to say it was and move on. I’m not even sure what I’d be envious of because I’m not talking about people. I’m talking about the way that owners handled questions. So, if you want me to leave stop asking questions. I’m your dream Augie!

I love being challenged on here. I’ll debate all day long. You are “challenging” me on something that isn’t even the point that I was making. That’s why I keep coming back. You believe these words are a ringing endorsement. I believe that they would say the same thing regardless of how they feel. You think it is literal and genuine. I think that it might be. That doesn’t mean that I think it’s good or bad. It’s just to be expected. You took that as some sort of negative. So after a lot of back and forth I’m going back to watch the game. I’ve been pretty clear as to my thoughts. If you want to keep misinterpreting my words, go for it.

It’s actually the same day but you’re right, my point remains the same.

You are just grasping at straws. Sorry that you are butthurt about this. You keep saying that you get it but clearly you don’t. I’m pretty done with this conversation though. I want nothing more than what’s best for the Bills. They are extremely fortunate to have the Pegula’s. They have a unique perspective that differs from the majority of owners. They can be great owners because of that. A bunch of other owners saying nice things though isn’t the reason to believe that. Understanding the dynamics amongst the NFL owners is what tells us that. You didn’t comprehend that from the beginning and you clearly still don’t get it now. You thought that it was some negative. It was just a “nothing.” It was telling your in-laws that dinner was “great.” I hope at some point we have dinner at your house and I’ll give my rave reviews regardless of the meal and you’ll be thrilled.

If someone asks them, “what’s your opinion of Kim Pegula” what would you expect? Do you think that they would say “no comment?” Do you think that they’d say “she’s an idiot?” Of course not!!! They are going to say nice things. What I’m saying isn’t turning a positive into a negative!! It’s basically saying that those comments are neither. They are the “it’s great” answer to your in-laws. It may in fact be great. Those comments though aren’t going to tell you anything.

Not sensitive at all, just banging my head against the wall that you don’t get it. Owners saying nice things about other owners isn’t teaching us anything. When you go to dinner at your in-laws and they ask you how everything is the answer is “it’s great.” It doesn’t mean that it is good or bad. It is just what you have to say. That’s been my entire point. It has nothing to do with Kim being good or bad.

I’m saying that they mean nothing just like when a GM says “we like our draft class” it means nothing. That’s what they are supposed to say!! They may mean it (they may not). They aren’t going to say anything but positive things though. Go find me some quotes of NFL owners talking bad about other NFL owners. Find me something in the last 5 - 10 years where they criticize the capabilities of another owner. I feel like a broken record but I guess you just aren’t understanding.

Yeah, because you aren’t comprehending that they aren’t being diminished. They are the same comments that you will find about every other owner. They all sing the praises of one another!! This piece doesn’t validate anything. It is “water is wet.” It’s like a GM talking about his draft picks. I’m waiting for the day a GM drafts a guy and says “we don’t think that he will be a good player.” It’s the same thing. If the GM says “we like the guys that we drafted” does that surprise you? It’s the exact same thing.

Why isn’t this in the Peterman thread?

That is one of the oddest takes I’ve seen here. I’m actually befuddled that people can read this as anything but lip service. It doesn’t take much intelligence to realize that this is a total puff piece (which is the point that I continue to make). My takeaway from this isn’t anything other than “of course they will say nice things. They all say nice things about each other.” The original premise of the thread was that this piece was supposed to validate her in some way. It doesn’t. It is a bunch of business partners saying nice things about each other. Also, the sun is hot.

FWIW, I think that she is a very, very important presence in that room. She is young, a minority and a woman. Kim looks a lot different than the rest of that room. She can a totally different perspective from the McNair’s and Kroenke’s of the world. The NFL has been getting killed recently because they don’t know their consumers. They are horrendous on social issues and every decision that is made is reactionary. Kim can be a “voice of the people” in a way. She is so much more tuned in to the real world. If she can gain experience and continue learning the business Kim could be an important asset for the league. She can be the checks and balances. When a bunch of old, rich, white guys think something is a good idea she can raise her hand and object. She, unlike the others, knows her consumers.