Kirby Jackson

The reality is Allen WILL be starting at some point. He will likely have the most starts of any Bills QB this year. They cleared the path for him. I would agree that Peterman’s chances of starting are better than they were. I wouldn’t say that they are good. The reality is that the Bills have 2 bad QBs and a young guy with a high ceiling and low floor. This isn’t unintentional. The Bills didn’t want to stunt Allen’s development by keeping Tyrod or even signing someone like McCown that is okay. They wanted his path to be clear. It is. It just may not be on opening day.

It is both. The defense is good and the offense is bad. It isn’t surprising at all to me.

Not at all. We took AJ McCarron off the table so it was basically a bet of Peterman vs. Allen. I thought (and still think) that Allen is the more likely of those 2 to start. I wouldn’t have bet anyone at even money against McCarron because it would have been a coin flip at best IMO. When he was removed from the equation I liked my chances.

I don’t think that this is the 1st time. The Jills had dudes for years.

Another guy that I’m a fan of. If he’s healthy (which i doubt) bring him in. If you get guys like Mitchell and Coleman you’ve upgraded your depth. You are still in need of a true #1 but you are drafting one pretty early next year too.

No, I didn’t believe that. I thought that it would be either McCarron or Allen. I presented the wager because I thought (and still think) Allen’s chances of starting were greater than Peterman’s. I don’t believe that this is a QB battle. I believe that McCarron (or Peterman) may start for a little while. This whole QB question though is “when is it time for Allen?” These guys are competing to maybe play 1 week, 4 weeks, 8 weeks and at MAXIMUM 1 season. Who starts opening day has very little to no impact on the Bills moving forward (unless it is Allen). It is like Mike Glennon’s Bears’ career. A year ago I’m sure Bears fans were going though exactly what we are now. It turned out to be totally irrelevant.

Could be, I know his family background is different. I just know because my buddy that is Colbert’s nephew is a DIEHARD ND fan. He has season tickets and goes up every week from New Orleans. His cousin (Colbert’s son) is a scout and that was his responsibility. He kept calling my friend as he was watching the tape and giving him a hard time. He said that Wimbush is in the bottom 3 QBs he’s ever seen at that level. They could get any sort of evaluation on St. Brown so they just felt better not considering him.

Yeah, I think people underestimate how truly awful the Browns QB play was. It’s tough to tell much because of it. On a side note that’s the same thing that happened to EQ St. Brown from ND. I know that the Steelers basically took him off their board because they could tell if he was good or not. There was no real chance to analyze him because of the QB play.

If they liked Foster they wouldn’t have made the move. He’s had a disappointing camp. The Bills made this move because they are desperate for speed (especially if Allen is going to play at some point). There good thread going on Twitter from Jake Burns. He’s basically like “Cover 1” but analyzing the Browns. I suggest everyone take a look at his opinions on it. He’s way, way, way more informed than any of us on Coleman as a pro.

I think that the entire point is that you are getting a guy with a lot of talent for basically nothing. Your WR group is very bad. You have no speed. At best, Coleman stays healthy and starts to live up to his potential. At worst he’s a speed guy that you have been desperately missing. There isn’t a Bills fan in the world that shouldn’t be happy with this. Coleman may never be great (or even good) but he is an upgrade with upside. For a 7th round pick in 2020 I don’t know how anyone can not like it...

Yeah, I don’t know if it will work out but it feels like a good buy low move. If he fails our WR group is still bad. If he stays healthy he can boost the group. If he turned in a year like Goodwin had in SF last year it would be a massive boost.

This receiving group has been awful since this time last year. This move is a big step towards improving it. I LOVE investing in talent. This is a guy that could blossom in this situation.

Love this!! He’s been on our radar forever. He’s speed and talent just not a ton of production yet. On this team he’s an upgrade

I agree with NewEra on this. TO was, without question, a 1st ballot HOFer. The writers didn’t like him so they didn’t put him in. Marvin Harrison shot people, was a worse player and still got in ahead of TO.

I love JFF. Last night was tough. He looked like a rich man’s Peterman. There were mistakes everywhere. It was sad.

Oh great, just what we need another undersized corner. I can’t see this kid playing ahead of Taron Johnson or even Phillip Gaines.

I 100% believe that. I have no idea when Allen will be ready though. It could be week 1 and it could be next year. I don’t think Peterman or McCarron have any impact on Allen.

That is just active roster. He is Ps eligible too.

Let me ask it another way. Is it more likely that Peterman is cut or starting?

We more or less agree with one difference. I believe as soon as they think Allen is ready he will play. It isn’t about showcasing him as much as his development. The KC situation is just an example of how teams handle top 10 picks. KC was ready to move on from a guy playing really good football in hopes of getting great play. That’s the same thing that the Bills are trying to do with Allen. The difference is that McCarron/Peterman will NEVER play at the level Alex Smith was. If they were ready to move on I can’t imagine that the Bills would hesitate to move on from worse QB play.

I think that’s fair. I think that the Bills likely keep 3 this year. Some will depend on the separation at places like WR though. Say Phillips and Foster are battling for the last spot do they offer more value than Nate? That’s the kind of decision that they will have to make.

Less than half of the NFL teams carried more than 2 QBs last year.

This is the kind of thing that separates good ownership from bad. The Pegulas did something similar with the Sabres locker room a few years back. The Bills facility has always been near the top of the league. These upgrades are another example of the Pegulas legitimately caring about their players. This $18M upgrade isn’t a revenue generator for them. It is a recruiting tool and an effort to keep players safer. This is just the kind of thing that good people do. Kudos to Kim and Terry for this!!

I’ll point to KC last year. Alex Smith was a legit MVP candidate. He is not there. Neither Peterman nor McCarron is in that league. Teams are looking for their guy to play. The Bills aren’t evaluating 3 guys. They are preparing Allen. This is way different than the last time 3 QBs we’re battling for the Bills job. They have already decided on the guy. Allen’s timeline isn’t impacted by the placeholders in front of him. He is the guy as soon as he is ready. The Bills intentionally left the path clear. They didn’t get a temporary guy until everyone else did. They don’t want any sort of controversy. They wanted to bring him along without roadblocks.

That’s where we disagree. McCarron and Peterman have nothing to do with Allen. He is their concern. They aren’t trying to identify who is “the guy” moving forward. They already did that. It is Allen. Their plan is to develop him.