Kirby Jackson

I agree, he was great the other night. The guy was super disruptive.

Where do you draw the line on seasoned vets? Darnold and Allen are high end young QBs but Miami and New England have nobody at this point. The NFC West has Rosen, Goff and Jimmy G. That’s definitely better. Dak and Wentz is better as well. Darnold and Allen will be in the conversation if they play to their abilities.

I agree John. He is going to make a lot of big plays but is never going to be a 70% completion guy. Corey Coleman is a nice addition based on what I saw the other day. Allen is going to challenge teams down the field and do some damage. It is the touch passes and the easier throws that need improvement.

If that’s the case Mack my sit out the whole year and lose the $13.8M. He’s looking at $70M guaranteed next year. Mack is in a unique situation where he can do that. He can go to the Raiders and say, “I want a long term deal or I’m not reporting.” The Raiders can concede by forgoing the tag to get Mack back playing this year. I actually think that is the likeliest scenario at this point.

The thing to me that was exciting is that he made some plays that other guys can’t. I mean there are some GREAT QBs that could have made that throw to Lee or that TD throw. Brady and Brees couldn’t have. Now before off someone goes on about claims that he is better than Brady or Brees that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying those guys couldn’t have physically made that throw to Lee off his back foot or gotten that ball through traffic to McCloud. His arm talent is insane. There are glimpses of greatnesses. He has to get more consistent but it is pretty obvious why the football community was so high on him.

One more thing to add is teams are trying to bring pressure up front when in press as well. They don’t want to give the receivers time to break free and the QB the time to hold the ball until they are. You are trying to make the QB get it out instantly while taking away those quick route concepts (quick slants, screens, etc..).

Sure, press man won’t allow the receivers to get a free release. You are controlling the WR right from the snap so it disrupts a rythym passing game because in theory it takes the receiver a different amount of time to get to that spot. It makes it extremely difficult to throw bubble screens, hitches and especially slants. Peterman’s strength is that he delivers the ball on time (primarily on those types of throws). If a team is playing 7 yards off the LOS and the receivers get a free release they get to those spots on time. That won’t be the case if you are pressing on the outside. If Peterman proves that he can consistently make throws like the TD throw to Benjamin he can keep teams honest. That is how you can beat it. If you beat the press off the line you can make plays over the top. You can make some big plays. It is crucial that the receivers can consistently beat that jam to make that happen. Does that make sense? I’m not sure if you are trolling or not? The Chiefs did exactly that with Mahomes. He moved up to 2 on the depth chart and then when they felt he was ready they moved on from Alex Smith (who is pretty good). I am in no way saying that Allen has to start (although it is possible IMO). They have to make a decision between Peterman and McCarron soon so that Allen is playing behind NFL OL & with NFL receivers. It is entirely possible that none of the OL or pass catchers that he played with Thursday make the roster. If you want to work on his base (which is probably his biggest flaw) you aren’t going to be able to do it when he is under constant pressure. The first step in his development, just like Mahomes, was getting his feet wet. He passed that test. The next step in his development is working on his flaws.

Also, is there a probationary period? This troll joined yesterday and is already being an idiot. There’s no reason to let this guy drag down the board. .

I heard some pre-draft talk and I can’t remember who it was being interviewed. It was a GM I think. They asked “why do fans like Mason Rudolph more than football people?” The answer was “because we know football.” They then asked “why do football people like Josh Allen better than fans?” The answer “because we know football.” FWIW, the Steelers were enameled with Allen coming out. I can’t speak for anyone else but they wanted to come up if it was feasible because they think he’s going to be a star. They have done a pretty good job drafting.

Adam Schein aka Kirby Jackson

He played primarily behind the 3rd OL. They have 15 linemen in camp I think (or around that). The 3rd string is guys like Redmond, Boettger and de Beer. The 2nd string is Newhouse, Bodine, Teller and co. They will likely keep 8 OL IMO. With that being said, it is almost certain that none of the guys on the 3rd string will be in the NFL.

There has never, ever, ever been a guy that was taken with a top 10 pick (and 2 2nds) that a team isn’t moving into the lineup. It has literally never happened and isn’t happening here. His development is independent of them. Alex Smith was an MVP candidate for much of last year and is in Washington now. That’s the way it works. You ALWAYS play your guy. As soon as Allen is ready we are going to see him. FWIW, I had an interesting conversation with my brother today who was a college QB and a high school OC. He said that the main reason that Allen has to move up the depth chart now is so that you can develop his flaws. Allen playing behind a sieve of an OL is never going to give him a chance to work on his footwork or his progressions. Every play is a broken play. Yesterday looked like Allen at Wyoming. He was infinitely more talented than the guys around him and had to play playground football. That isn’t what the Bills need to see to accurately evaluate him. That is the biggest task. The investment that they made in him dictates that he will be given the job at some point. They need to do their part to make sure that he is ready for that point.

I’d bet my life that he isn’t reporting without a guarantee that he won’t be tagged.

I tend to agree with them standing their ground. Mack may take a $13.8M hit this year but he’s looking at $70M guaranteed next year. It’s not worth the risk IMO. If he goes out there and gets hurt he never sees that.

The Bills didn’t use a 1st and 2 2nds to have him throwing to Robert Foster. He is going to start getting to play with quality players. He 100%, unequivocally is their guy. They will continue to develop him but what is happening around him isn’t impacting his development schedule. They aren’t going to keep him as a number 3 because Peterman and McCarron played well. His development isn’t tied to their play. They have a plan for him and are executing it.

Okay, so you say that you disagree with my points but won’t tell me what you disagree with? I’ve told you EXACTLY why I think that he isn’t good. I just laid it out and asked you if you disagree and you changed the subject. I believe that Allen is going to start seeing more and more time with better players despite Peterman and McCarron playing well last night. Allen can simply do things that they can’t. He has a chance to be a star. Those 2 are backups. I don’t think anyone in the league feels differently?

What do you disagree with from my post? - I said that he played exceptionally well. - I said that press man is kryptonite for someone that throws hitches and slants on a 3 step drop. (That is why I don’t believe that he can succeed). I’m not sure that either of those points is debatable? If you disagree with them please explain why.

I still don’t think that he’s good. I thought he played exceptionally well. I firmly believe that he is not, and will never be, a starting caliber QB. He’s a one read QB with limited arm strength. If I were a DC I would play press man all game long. I have no idea how he could possibly succeed against that? Press man is kryptonite for what he does well. Obviously that isn’t necessary in preseason but it will be when the bullets start flying.

He played great. I thought it was a combination of throwing on time and a good performance from the starting OL. That was by miles the best that he has looked in a Bills uniform and the 2nd best performance (behind the game against Clemson) that I have seen from him. Let’s hope it is growth.

Thought Teller had a great night too. He played with that mean streak. It’s tough to judge OL in practice IMO. It was a big night for a guy that we haven’t heard a ton from at camp.

That’s how I came out of that game (and I was thrilled with the play of Peterman and McCarron). We got great play from the QBs. On that note, a game ball goes to Brian Daboll for his design. It was night and day from Rico.

I brought up Rodgers because I don’t think any other QB (with the possible exception of Stafford as someone noted) could have made that back foot throw to Khari Lee or the TD throw to McCloud. No other QBs in the world have the requisite arm strength to get the ball, from that position, past the defender. That’s why Rodgers name came up, not because Allen is going to the HOF after 1 preseason half. In terms of Cam, he really is the appropriate comparison for Allen at this point. When he entered the league he had the same strengths and weaknesses (and size) as Allen. We are always using player comps for rookies based on that. That doesn’t mean that he will be a future MVP. It just means what he does well and what he needs to work on are similar.

Funny that you say that because it’s exactly what I wanted to add. I’d also add Mike Love to the “good night” section.

How about the back foot to Khari Lee right before it? That was another Rodgers special. Considering the OL he played behind and the receivers that he played with I was thrilled. He looked way better than anyone expected.

If you came out of there unimpressed by Allen you didn’t watch the game. I was with some Steeler fans and they were blown away. The one guy was all fired up yelling at us “how can you not love this guy?!?” He was fantastic. Allen is a great athlete, with a cannon. He made 4 or 5 throws in that game that no one other than Aaron Rodgers can make. I’m excited to see him play with Corey Coleman so he can run under those bombs. Allen played with a garbage OL and CFL receivers.