Kirby Jackson

Also, unless Sal Capaccio is lying that’s not the case. https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/opinion/capaccio-bills-panthers-arrow-arrow-down

Oh, Peterman’s quick release absolutely helps the OL. Who debated that? At the same time the first string OL is better than the 3rd. I’d still like to see the OL snap counts. I don’t think deBeer was with the 2’s. This is what I was talking about:

Kelly is going right by Lynch. He may go by Keenum too. No one questioned Chad’s talent. If he can keep it together he has a chance to play in this league.

Chad Kelly has looked way better than Lynch so far. He’s AWFUL. I haven’t been following their battle for the #2 spot but I wouldn’t be surprised if Chad ended up with it.

That was pass protection?!? Also, can you post the OL snap counts from the other night? I can’t seem to find them. Pro football reference doesn’t have it posted. If you’ve learned anything about me in the last 70 pages I’m not going to take your word for it. I’d like to see the snap counts. Also McDermott and Redmond were horrible the other day. Redmond even got called out by Sal the other day. McDermott was horrible and is on the outside looking in at this point.

I don’t think that I’ve ever said that he needs to play this year. I’ve said over and over and over that he will play when they think he is ready. It may not be this year. It may be this year. He looked like Allen at Wyoming because he wasn’t playing with NFL talent (just like at Wyoming). Between the receivers and OL that he played with none of them may make the roster. How is he supposed to develop pocket presence and work on his base when it’s a fire drill as soon as the ball is snapped? That’s why he needs to play with better players and it will likely be at the expense of one of the other 2. The single most important thing to this franchise is Allen’s development. If he develops they could become the Eagles in the near future. They will have tons of assets and a stud QB on a rookie deal. That is when the window is open. We aren’t even talking about the same thing. It’s not “play him now” it’s “let’s develop this incredible talent.” It isn’t a coincidence that he was back working with the ones on Friday. McDermott and Beane have a plan to develop him. Nothing is going to alter that plan.

Ha ha, I mean I’m not here to bust your balls but let’s quickly recap. You said “people are willing to just flat out lie to prove their point correct.” When the posters claim was supported by a very credible website you then indicated you didn’t say the lying part. Ha ha ha, I’m with you though we really should move on from this overpartcipated in thread. We are at like 70 pages on a guy that may never start another NFL game. That’s insanity. I’m going to slide out of here. I gave my thoughts a few pages back as to why I don’t think that he can succeed. If he can consistently make throws like the TD to Benjamin he has a chance to be a functioning number 2. If not, he’s going to see press man every meaningful play and it won’t be pretty.

That’s EXACTLY what you said. Just own it and move on.

So long story short is there are conflicting reports. I don’t think that anyone accused you of fabricating anything. Unfortunately, you said that people were “flat out lying” when in fact they were citing the incredibly well-respected Ourlads. No one was lying. FWIW, neither of those numbers is all that relevant. They aren’t strong armed QBs. They have below average arms but their success isn’t predicated on arm strength.

I agree with that. I think that they have slightly different strengths. It depends on what you want. Peterman is certainly the better athlete and throws in rythym. McCarron makes way fewer mistakes. He is the more conservative of the 2. I guess it depends on what you want out of your number 2.

Ball velocity

I mean it’s not possible that he is serious? If he is how are we supposed to respect any opinion that he has on football if he believes that? Maybe it is both but it has to be at least one of them. Imagine having a conversation with an impartial football fan and trying to convince them that Peterman and McCarron are better than Dak?!? ? If you were to do a side-by-side comparison Dak would literally have every single advantage. We should start researching CTE on TBD.

Ha ha ha, so you believe that Nate Peterman and AJ McCarron deserve to be considered as good young QBs but Dak Prescott doesn’t?!? Are you trolling or incompetent?

This is a fairly balanced division of Luck is healthy. Jacksonville to me though is one of the best teams in football. I don’t see them regressing.

It’s kind of weird but most of my best friends here are Bills fans. We all met through our Bills Backers Group but we are probably together 4-5 days a week and talk daily. We then have an extended group of probably another 20 or so Bills fans that we hang out with a handful of times in the offseason. It’s kind of cool.

This

Well, Wentz and Dak have quite the head start on them. They have each finished in the top 6 of MVP voting within their first 2 years. The bar is pretty high. From a talent standpoint I’d probably agree but they are playing catch-up.

My bad I had their numbers flip flopped.

I agree with this. I don’t think fans didn’t like Allen because he went to Wyoming. The completion percentage was the OVERWHELMING issue people had. Is he accurate enough?

Here is an interesting one, in 5 years who will be better Allen & Darnold or Wentz and Dak?

I didn’t open it yet but I’d imagine that the Gallagher brothers have to be pretty high? They HATE each other.

That’s why Holmes is a lock. He needs to be thought of like Marcus Easley was. He isn’t a lock because of his receiving skills. He’s a lock because of his role on ST. Mike Love

I’m cutting Logan Thomas and Adolphus Washington. I’m adding Ray Ray and Reilly. Id cut Vallejo and find a CB via trade or that gets released.

I’m actually surprised that anyone left that game not impressed by Allen. I said it in another thread but the guys that I was with that were Steeler fans were blown away. They were criticizing us for not being in love. He looked like a 14 year-old kid with a fake birth certificate playing in the Little League World Series. He was so much better than any player on the field. I don’t see any reason to not play him with, and against, better players. Throwing to NFL receivers, behind and NFL OL, against NFL defenders, is the only way his development continues. We already know he can play back yard football. We saw it at Wyoming and we saw it Thursday. He will always be able to keep plays alive, make plays with his feet and hurt you down the field. Allen needs to develop his play in the pocket and work on his base. That’s how he will be more consistent and move closer to his massive ceiling. That’s not going to happen playing behind Adam Redmond and throwing the ball to Foster and Proehl.

You want to include Peterman and McCarron but not Dak?!? Yeah, I didn’t know how far back he was going. The AFC South would qualify if we go back a few more years. If we include Wilson the NFC West is by far the best.