Kirby Jackson

Moore is my choice and has been. He’s a decent low cost option that has been serviceable. He may help (especially without a real QB coach). Additionally, he can play for a month in the event of an injury. I’d sign him through next year and see how it’s working.

I don’t really know where to put his but is anyone else a little terrified that twice Sean McDermott thought Nathan Peterman was capable of starting an NFL game?

I guess this is where I disagree. There is no more decision. He can’t play in this league so number 2 is a need. The dent to add Matt Moore while cutting NP isn’t even worth mentioning.

It is all about development but there are short and long-term holes. Whether we add a #2 QB tomorrow or in 2019 it isn’t that different. If a vet QB can help with Allen’s development it is absolutely worth the minimal 2018 cap space to do it.

I think that some (or all) of us believe that he isn’t an option as a number 2. He can’t play. Add a 3rd guy and in a week or so (whenever he learns the playbook) release NP.

Moore is my choice. Landry Jones may be my 2nd choice. I’d seriously take any guy that is, or was, on a roster this year over Peterman.

When you only have 1 NFL QB on the roster he has to play. That was evident before last week. The Bills can try to add an NFL QB to help mentor Allen but this is (and was) going to be his team at some point. That was inevitable. If they had even a McCarron they could have brought Allen along slower. They don't have that luxury.

After he took $56.30 from me and I had to post a Peterman meme admitting defeat. I do feel vindicated though in that he was a complete and utter trainwreck. I don’t take joy in that but am glad that it’s over.

Someone better check on the Bull brothers.

That team and this team aren’t the same. They’ve downgraded at QB, WR, CB, & OL. None of those are even up for debate. That team was a team that could get to 9-7 if the breaks went their way. Despite being outscored by 57 points (21st in the league) they managed to turn timely turnovers into a winning record. This team is not that team. If they get a few timely turnovers they may be looking at 4-12 instead of 2-14. That is okay too as as long as Allen can play. People can prepare to be disappointed though if they expect this team to be around .500. They just don’t have the guys to make that happen.

This didn’t age well

The irony of the whole thing is that the first pick is a WAY more valuable asset than another good young QB. In addition, you don’t have to be right about the player. You would have gotten a ton for the pick that netted Jamarcus Russell or RG 3. You would have gotten way less for the player after a little time. The 1st pick in the draft can net you multiple other early round picks as well as other assets. No young QB generates that type of return (at least without a resume). If you want the QB as an “asset” what you are really saying is “trade down to a team that needs a QB.” That’s how it works.

That’s not a bad idea IMO. They need a guy behind Allen anyways. I would bet a vet gets added but it could be a stable, mid-round college prospect as well. Maybe something like Ryan Finley with one of their 4ths?

I think Hap’s point is that they were running him with the 1’s since April. He stunk in the pre-season and then they decided that he wasn’t worthy of being active. They hid behind “positional flexibility” even though everyone knows that’s a BS answer. He could have said, “Vontae is still getting back up to speed. He isn’t as far along at this point as he needs to be so we went with Phillip. We hope to have Vontae ready in the not-too-distant future.” It’s just a “don’t lie to me...” kind of thing.

So does having a top pick to ransom off to QB needy teams. That’s the same thing without having to be right about a QB twice!! I’d rather have the 1st pick and let someone come up for their QB than draft another QB, hope that BOTH of mine are good and then turn around and trade one for less than I would have gotten for pick 1.

No, they won’t be. If their hand-picked QB that cost Glenn, a 1st and 2 seconds can’t make it to year 2 they aren’t making it to year 3. That would be the biggest QB draft failure ever. That’s not hyperbole. They’d be the first team to ever draft a QB in the regular draft, in the 1st round, in consecutive years. That isn’t happening (nor should it). It’s a preposterous suggestion. Peyton Manning was 3-13, with a 56.7% completion percentage and 28 INTs. I can’t imagine that you wouldn’t have wanted another QB the next year? If you say otherwise, that’s based completely in hindsight. Another QB isn’t something that is being considered and it shouldn’t be. Get used to Allen for at least the next 18 months. Honestly, every time this terrible idea gets thrown out I am shocked at how many people think it’s reasonable. Fortunately, no football people EVER have thought that it was reasonable. You evaluate the guys, target yours, give him a chance to be evaluated. If he can’t cut it you move on. You aren’t evaluating any QB playing behind Vlad and throwing to Zay.

He was thrown to the wolves but was given more of a chance. The Cowboys took Walsh (supplemental) and Aikman in the 1st in back-to-back years. I don’t think that any other team in the modern era has done that.

16 games? Was Peyton Manning good at the start? Jarred Goff? Carson Wentz? Pat Mahomes? Jimmy G? Cousins? Alex Smith? Just stop, quit while you are behind. It is an atrocious idea to trade Glenn, a 1st and 2 seconds for a guy that you aren’t going to evaluate. If the Bills need a QB in 2019 it won’t be Beane and McDermott here to make that choice.

It’s a terrible idea which is why no one ever does it. Allen is here through at least the next 31 games as the QB. If they determine at that point that they need someone else they will take their shot in 2020. You aren’t going to invest this much in a QB, give him the worst OL and WR group in the league and then pull the plug. The entire thought that this is possible is ridiculous. It happened once, 30 years ago.

He’s not a process guy; he gets open.

Definitely tanking!!

But he didn’t end up magically becoming an All-Pro after catching Brady’s magical passes. That’s what some people predicted. He was largely the same player that he was here.

I was thinking this same thing. If anyone is prepared to play with trash it’s Allen!!

I just think that Peterman needs more time. He’s a young guy; remember that Tom Brady was a 6th round pick!! Peterman is a young Drew Brees. He just needs a chance to show it.

Not too give myself too much credit but that’s 6-1-1. ??