Kirby Jackson

I went light today. UB - Rutgers over 52.5 Nebraska +18 ND -7 OSU -37.5 Alabama -26

There are only two guys still kneeling and they are on the Dolphins. Jerry Jones, I suppose could cut a guy that kneels but he’d have hell to pay from the NFLPA. The league has decided not to institute a policy this year and would strongly push Jerry against taking action towards said player. It will become another PR nightmare. So in theory, he could cut a guy that kneels, but it won’t happen. It will be too big of a headache.

FWIW, I agree that’s probably what they intended. If they could do it differently they probably would. Good conversation!! I look forward to more in the future. Have a goodnight!!

No problem, I am thinking more like one team decides that they want to have death metal before the game instead of the anthem. They try to say “here’s what an NFL game looks like.” There is certainly some room for creativity as you get to the details (ie you can have someone wave a Bills flag and lead the charge). You can’t decide major things if that makes sense. As an aside, I went McDonalds earlier this week. I probably go into a McDonalds 4 or 5 times a year. I ordered at a kiosk and not from a person. This was completely new to me. This must be the type of thing that they allow (but don’t require) franchisees to do. That’s the best parallel that I can draw.

There’s a difference between things clearly defined vs. suggested. You “can’t” take certain drugs. You “should” stand for the anthem, with helmet in left hand, etc.. A lot of these things aren’t necessarily designed to be rules. They are more designed to make things uniform and clean so that teams don’t go rouge. Think of the NFL like McDonald’s corporate. There are certain things that franchisees “must” do, other things that they “should” do and other things that they “can” do. All of those have different meanings but the goal is that if you go to 3 different McDonald’s there are a lot of similarities amongst them all. Correct

These manuals are put together by lawyers and every word is thought out. When I worked in the NBA the Game Ops Book was like 1,000 pages each year. It was as detailed down to the 3 songs that you are allowed to play when the road team is on offense. (Seriously if you watch an NBA game when the visiting team has the ball only three songs/chants will play). Sometimes these issues though go unforseen so they follow it by the letter the letter of the law. The fact that it says “should” means that they will leave that as a suggestion. If it said “must” it would be different. 5 years ago they probably could have changed that and no one would have thought twice. Now that it is in the public eye the changes will have to be agreed upon. Like anything it will be a negotiation. You usually give something and get something simultaneously.

What’s the question? I do know a little about the CBA (more about the NBA CBA) but have a working knowledge of the NFL.

The only place that we disagree is that not all 32 teams are private. 31 are and that is a part of the reason that it is difficult to enforce. In general, I agree with your sentiment. FWIW, I wouldn’t sign either of these guys because the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. If Khalil Mack was the guy doing this I would be all for adding him. If I thought that these guys could impact the team I’d be all for it. I don’t think that the media attention and distractions are worth it for these guys. 100% agree

They “should” be. It has already been determined that you cant punish someone for something that they “should” do. That’s why guys can (and are) still kneeling with no repercussions.

The bolded word is why it can’t and hasn’t been enforced. “Should” isn’t a requirement. That has already been challenged and decided. If they changed it to “must” it would be different but they can’t do that without the player’s approval.

No confusion at all. The Packers are a part of the public sector. The constitution can’t restrict them from expressing themselves.

No confusion here. The constitution allows 1st amendment rights in the public sector and its restricted in the private sector with some exclusions. So an NFL team, while privately owned partners with the public sector in many areas. The league (and all leagues) defer to the collective bargaining agreement between the players and owners. They decide the rules and regulations that will govern the business. The result is that the league doesn’t punish players or restrict their ability to exercise those rights. Whether you like it or not that IS how it is being handled. It may change at some point but if it does it won’t because of the constitution. It will be because the players and owners reached an agreement that they are both comfortable with. The owners can’t function without the players and the players can’t function without the league.

There is nothing in the collective bargaining agreement between the players association and the employers restricting it. Hence, there is no punishment for it. Hope that clears things up.

Nope, but just to be clear this isn’t a rule. It’s a recommendation. “The players SHOULD....” That’s why the issue is there. It isn’t a requirement and you can’t punish guys for something that isn’t in the CBA.

Damn right it’s serious!! Nobody Neals during the Star-Spangled Banner!! Lee Greenwood would be rolling over in his grave if he new this was going on. RIP Lee Greenwood

This is America!!! I don’t want no stinkin’ Kaeperdick or Eric Greed!! These guys Nealed during the National Anthem of These United States of America!! Pass on all guys that Neal!!

Great topic PTR!! I went with the 2 years but it is a good discussion.

Lenz, I am on fire at the moment. I’ve bet 42 games so far this year and hit like 35. I hit 5 team teasers in weeks 1-2. You need to trust me on this one. I’m swinging a hot bat right now. I actually bet it adjusted to Browns -6.5.

Lay the points!! This Browns defense might be elite. Darnold is turnover prone. Tyrod has lit up the Jets at times (not like Miami). Tonight is the night that they crack those beer fridges.

Kaepernick?!? Isn’t he the guy that kneels for the National Anthem?!? I don’t want anything to do with that POS!! #Merica

Is it? We just used a starting LT, a first round pick and 2 second round picks to take a QB. He has played a game and a half and you think that it is prudent to go QB again? This team has given up 78 points in 2 weeks but the QB is the only position that matters?!? It’s certainly the most important but we have that guy for another 30 games at least. Let’s see if he’s good by improving the team around him.

The reason is clear though. He wasn’t on the radar. He wasn’t at elite camps and stuff like that. That’s how these guys get noticed. If he would have started earlier he wouldn’t have fallen through the cracks because he is an ELITE talent. It’s rare, especially now, with the amount of information out there for this to happen.

Sorry to hear this man. It can’t be easy. I don’t have experience with it but my advice would be to always put the kid’s best interests first. That’s the one thing that you guys will always be able to agree on. If you defer to that to solve disputes I’d imagine that it would be better.

That was kind of the theme of season 2. All of these negotiations, deals, etc... that he put in place are starting to cave in around him. He’s playing a lot more defense in season 2.

He’s a guy