Kirby Jackson

Saints might smash them tonight. This has a big game feel around here. I am predicting that Brees not only gets his 201 yards but also the 4 TDs that he needs for 500.

This is a really interesting look at how Drew Brees changed the entire landscape of football for the last 15 years. I didn’t see it posted elsewhere. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24880346/alternate-drew-brees-history-lines-which-never-was-new-orleans-saints-quarterback

Allen’s ceiling is league MVP and his floor is where he is now.

Pass

McDermott to Peterman

Quick, easy, delicious taco dip 8 oz. cream cheese 1 can hormel chili handful of shredded cheddar cheese diced jalapeños This is so easy and goes over well at any party. Take the cream cheese in a pie tin and spread to cover the entire bottom and even on the side. Open the chili can and spread it on top of the cream cheese layer. Next, take some diced jalapeños and scatter them throughout the chili. I also use a little of the juice from the jalapeños depending on how spicy you want it. Cover the top with the shredded cheese and bake at 350 for 15-17 minutes. This is whole thing can be done in 20 minutes start to finish and it is always a hit!!

I really like this idea BB. McSorley is a gamer.

The defense is definitely solid. The offense is a nightmare. One of the best things that I can say about McDermott is that he wins when he has a chance. The Bills had one of the worst point differentials in the league last year and went to the playoffs. That’s because of games like today, they end up on the right side of them. They execute and don’t make mistakes. That’s offsets some of their physical limitations.

McDermott is WAY more aggressive than Jauron was. He isn’t scared to go on 4th and would never punt from the 35. McDermott is a good football coach. His team just isn’t very good.

Why are you posting in a thread about “Whaley as a pro personnel executive” if you don’t want to discuss the merits of Whaley as a pro personnel executive? That’s the topic....

That’s all that I am saying. He excelled with adding pro talent and pro talent that was overlooked. That’s much harder to do than to acquire Khalil Mack. If you add a star and he’s a star I’m not impressed. If you add guy like Zach Brown and Lorenzo Alexander and they flourish I am impressed. FWIW, his staff was really strong on that end as well. It wasn’t just him but there is no denying that they succeeded there.

It’s a simple question. Did he succeed when it comes to pro personnel? That’s ALL that we are talking about. The answer is unequivocally a yes. He did not succeed in cap management, finding a QB and was just okay in the draft. We can be so dumb that we can’t separate those things. The question was “would he be a good pro personnel director?” Based on his resume the answer is absolutely. The reality though is that it will never happen here and that’s fine.

Clearly he wasn’t an all-around failure. I listed like 5 moves that were pro bowl caliber players on minimal salaries. Whaley excelled on the pro side. Again, you hate him but you are dead wrong if you can’t admit the success that he had there. The Bills got guys, for very little, that provided big contributions. The book hasn’t been written on Beane but the first few chapters aren’t very good. This is one of the least talented Bills teams that over ever seen. They did try to clear the deck though so we will know more next year. The early returns on the pro side though have not been good at all. Can you share that quote? I hadn’t seen it.

You can give 0% credit to the GM if it helps your agenda. That’s not reality though. He absolutely was in on those 2. Beane can have Matthews, Benjamin, Philly Brown, Duccase, Leonard Johnson.... The pro records between the 2 isn’t even up for debate. There is no comparison on the pro side. Now I like how Beane has navigated the draft and think that he’s drafted alright (assuming Allen can play). We aren’t taking about the draft though. We are discussing pro personnel.

Okay, he was 100% in control in March of that year. He held the job into May. If you don’t want to count them because you hate Whaley (which you’ve made clear a lot) I’ll take Shady, Alexander and Richie. Please, please, please try to stack Beane’s pro personnel record side-by-side. You can own Jordan Matthews and Kelvin Benjamin.

You find a GM, and you can take the entire league, that got the bang for the buck on the pro side that he did. I promise that you don’t want to go down that road because he was masterful in that area. I didn’t even mention Kiko for Shady. He is, and has been, a wizard on the pro personnel side.

We aren’t going to count them? I will take Lorenzo Alexander (Pro Bowl on a minimal salary) & Richie Incignito (Pro Bowl on a minimal salary) then. If you really think that Beane has been better on pro players than Whaley was you are an idiot. Whaley was ELITE in that area.

Sure: Zach Brown (minimal salary - Pro Bowl) Mike Gillislee (5.7 YPC tops in the league & 8 TDS) Poyer Hyde Hughes for Kelvin Sheppard Does that work for you?

This is spot on. Did these guys really not expect bumps in the road for Allen? Did they really not realize how bad the offensive talent around him was? Did they really think that Peterman was capable of holding down the fort until Allen was ready? Every single one of these things was abundantly clear to even casual fans. How can the guys calling the shots be blind to it?!?

Signing the guy is a good idea. Playing the guy is a bad idea.

Yeah, I’m pretty excited. My buddy and I went to Houston for Game 7 last year. He’s a Buffalo guy too. We are going to Houston either way for the Bills (it’s only about 4-4:30 hours from here). It will just be so fun if the Yanks are there. We realized that this was a possibility in like May.

Ha ha, I hope that you’d rather be in Houston than selling your house. We are going to be there so make it happen!!

Landry Jones sucks!! He’s a massive upgrade from Peterman.