Kirby Jackson

Being right about a selection and trying to find an alpha aren’t the same thing. I’m not using the result to be right. I’m using their process. They have CONSISTENTLY swung early to find a guy. Rice is the guy. He’s a 1200 yard+ guy that demands targets. Worthy looks like a high end 2 and Juju & Hollywood are solid role players. There is a MAJOR difference in drafting guys early, signing former high end players and having Mack Hollins lead your team in WR snaps. The Bills haven’t actively tried to find an alpha. They’ve tried to find varying skill sets. The Chiefs have tried to find stars. The Bills PROCESS is as flawed as the guys.

The best way to stop the run is don’t allow them to run. Go up 2 scores and keep your foot on the gas. Make teams keep up!! Don’t try to keep it close and hang on at the end.

No, no, no. KC used 2 seconds (Moore & Rice) AND traded up in the 1st (Worthy) for WRs SINCE Tyreek Hill left. They signed former 1st rounders, Toney and Hollywood Brown along with former 2nd round picks Hardman and Juju. They took lots of swings on high end talents with varying degrees of success. That’s 7 guys with a first or 2nd round pedigree added since the Tyreek trade (off the top of my head). They did literally the opposite of just roll with whatever. They spent a ton of resources trying to find the number one and they have it with Rice.

It all makes sense. Nothing earth shattering here. Will they put their egos aside and make hard decisions in the best interest of the team? 🤷🏻‍♂️

He gives off “Rudy” vibes. Who cares about talent when you can try hard? The Bills are the only organization, in the history of sports, that tried (and pretty successfully) convinced their fan base that it’s better to have 4 quarters than a dollar. The concept of “everybody eats” should have had people with pitchforks. Instead, it had a bunch of sheep defending it. “Why have 1 WR that’s fast, separates, good on contested catches, good hands, runs after the catch when you can have 4 guys that can each do one of those things?!? If you don’t have a guy that’s good at everything you don’t have to throw him the ball as much and other, lesser talents can get a turn.” 🤣🤣 That’s literally what they built and people are wearing shirts and hats supporting that. We don’t ever discuss it but why not apply that to other positions? We don’t need an elite pass rusher. We just need 1 guy with a quick first step, a different guy with great hands, and a 3rd guy with a good bull rush. They can all take turns and everyone eats. This season, so far, is way more frustrating to me than the drought. This team had a super easy schedule and its biggest competitors struggling early. They have Super Bowl aspirations and they look like an average football team. There is still a lot of time and guys coming back defensively. To this point though, it’s infuriating to watch them not take advantage of their greatest opportunity.

For sure. I think it’s evolved from scrappy hard workers believing to a bit of desperation. I’m not sure it’s “believe in Josh because we trust him” as much is “believe in Josh because that’s the only way we can get it done.” It kind of goes back to the whole swagger conversation. They don’t have that edge anymore. It isn’t always coming from elite players but it was there even with guys like McKenzie. They believed. Maybe it’s all of the years of coming up short but they don’t feel like they believe anymore.

That’s what they wanted as strange as it sounds. That’s the concept of everybody eats. It’s about role players. It’s a team full of role players and Josh. Cook forced his way into star territory. When you draft poorly in the first 100 picks you are left trying to convince people that it’s better to have interchangeable pieces than to have elite talent. Lol, at least half of this message board bought into that nonsense. 🤣🤣

We are a bit confused. We are a run heavy team that plays with a lot of TEs. It used to be a 6th OL but now it’s Hawes. We want to run, limit mistakes and control the clock. It’s just a super weird approach and way of building a team around, arguably, the most physically gifted QB in history. 🤣🤣 This offense would have been the PERFECT offense when you had Tyrod under center.

He’s no longer an elite nickel. That’s okay though, if we had elite corners they would take away snaps from everyone else. Taron fits perfectly into the everyone eats philosophy.

I’ve always liked Fields. I ranked all of the starting QBs on here prior to this season. I had him at 28. I more liked him from OSU than as a pro (although I didn’t think he would struggle this much this year). He looked functioning the last couple of years.

Ohio State would strangely score some points. We’ve had a hard time defending much worse receivers. Tate and Smith TODAY, would be the best tandem of WRs that the Bills have faced this year. That’s not hyperbole either. I don’t know if people understand just how good they are. This is the school that’s given you: Olave, Wilson, Harrison, JSN and Egbuka over the last few years. Tate compares to Wilson as a prospect and Smith is better than every name mentioned. Ohio State WRs come in and play at a high level. These aren’t “guys that may be good someday.” They are very good NFL WRs right now. Lol, assuming Sayin had a little time, they would make some explosive plays. I’d put the score at 56-17 or something like that.

It’s Josh but so far we have the head hanging version of Josh this year. He doesn’t get all fired up for every game but still generally does for the biggest moments. He’s the only answer. The OL would be my 2nd choice. The Bills could use a little fire and swagger. That’s why Curt Cignetti was my coaching target (prior to getting $11.5M a year). CGJ would have been a nice pickup for this reason too (in addition to our safeties being terrible).

Maybe a different way is, how many guys on Ohio State would start on the Bills now? It’s 3 or 4. Tate and Smith would both start at WR and Downs at S. Reese would start at LB but maybe not, in the nickel, with everyone healthy. The Bills would have 18 or 19 starters. If they played a game, the Bills would crush them.

No doubt. The West Coast Trevor Lawrence is doing well off the field.

Yeah, the OSU WRs are absurd. Different question, how many NFL teams, today, would trade their top 2 WRs for Ohio State’s? More than 1/2 I’d presume. Honestly, it may be more. Smith is as good of a WR prospect as we have maybe ever seen and Tate is a 1st rounder (maybe the 1st WR off the board). Interested in the thoughts of some other OSU guys that have seen a ton of them. @YoloinOhio@Willyville Guy over under 7.5 NFL teams that would take their 1st 2 WRs TODAY over Ohio State’s? I’m taking the under.

*whispers “Herbert kinda sucks”

He looks like a player.

They’ll have 5 more 1st rounders this year (and a bunch more drafted). We have to look at the rosters built completely in the NIL era. If you started last year and go through every guy currently enrolled, they’ll have 40+ guys on NFL rosters and 15ish drafted in round 1. Again, I’m not saying they’d compete with the Bills. I’m simply providing context as to the specific players and quality of them. If the Bills and OSU traded WR rooms tomorrow, the Bills would be much better. The same with safeties (and maybe LBs). The Buckeyes currently have the 2 top draft eligible LBs according to PFF. The best players on the Buckeyes will be better NFL players than the best Bills other than Josh. Downs and Smith would be Pro Bowl players right now. Reese looks like a top 10 pick. Tate is a 1st round WR. We don’t have a lot of that type of talent on the Bills at certain spots.

It probably is. As an OSU fan and a Bills fan I felt that I could provide some real context. I’m plenty familiar with both rosters. When the conversation used to be “Alabama vs. (insert NFL team)” I knew some Alabama guys. I knew the top guys but couldn’t really speak to the quality of their guys. Anectodallly, they were elite recruits. Even though this wasn't intended to be a “real” conversation I figured I’d give actual thoughts as if it were serious. He was a slot corner and a bit of a chess piece. I liked the player but he wasn’t by any means a star. Lol, he may be the best or 2nd best safety on the Bills. 🤦🏻‍♂️

For context, they had 14 guys drafted this past draft. They currently have 5 projected 1st rounders and a bunch more guys getting drafted. They have NFL players everywhere and that’s not changing in the NIL era. They only bring in the best talent in the nation. They often sit for a little while but then go to the NFL. For example, Julian Sayin was locked in a QB battle until August. He currently has the 3rd best Heisman odds. The guys “on their bench” aren’t there because they aren’t future stars. They are sitting behind guys a year or 2 closer to the NFL.

I’m not usually a “it’s the refs” guy but watching it is wild. Every 3rd down a flag comes out early. I’m not sure if they all were or weren’t penalties but that’s what happened.

Chiefs with Rice are a different team. Officiating has been disgusting too.

I don’t understand the question still. Are we asking if Ohio State could beat the Bills today? Of course not. That’s dumb. Are we asking if the players on their roster are better TODAY than the guys on the Bills? If so, the answer is definitely (Downs, Tate, Smith). They would instantly be the best 2 WRs and best safety on the team. Reese, Styles, Igbinosun, McDonald and Curry would play meaningful snaps. There are many other guys that would play some and lots of others that will someday be good NFL players. Is the question, “if every guy on Ohio State’s roster were in the prime of his NFL career and they played against the Bills right now who is better?” I don’t know. They would have superstars and borderline NFL players mixed with some guys that are role players. There are way too many variables to figure that out. You need hindsight for that.

Watching the Chiefs is so frustrating

Today or in a few years when eligible? They probably have 30 something but they’re an exception. They probably have 10-15 guys that’ll go in the 1st when the time comes. This year alone they’ll have 5 or so (Tate, Reese, Styles, Downs, McDonald). The Buckeyes have more high end prospects than the Bills have players. The best of the Buckeyes will be better NFL players than the best of the Bills. Downs and Smith specifically are Pro Bowl talents right now. I’d trade the Bills WRs for the Buckeyes WRs today. Anyone would. You’d do the same with the safeties. Otherwise, you have to take the NFL bodies. If the Bills played the Buckeyes, they’d destroy them.