Kirby Jackson

Fitting Keon for his gold jacket after 5 catches and 71 yards on 11 targets vs. Tampa.

I can’t give you Atlanta when they have Drake London. He had 16 targets against us. His 17 game pace is 113/1468/13. That’s a better year than any Bills receiver has ever had. When Mooney is healthy, he too, is better than every Bills receiver. No to the Saints. Olave is way better than anyone that we have and we all pretty much agreed that Shaheed would represent a big upgrade. Those guys are better than ours (or at least certainly were before the Shaheed trade). The Patriots isn’t much of a dicscussion either. Diggs and Boutte are both better than all Bills receivers. Maybe you could make a case for a beat up Miami but they have a guy. They have a guy that has killed us. The Bills offered a 1st and 3rd for that guy. He is so much better than anyone that we have. The Jets also have a guy that’s great. Our 2-5 may be better than theirs but the gap in 1’s is so large that I’d pick the Jets (like Miami). Carolina is interesting because they have more talent but may not be better. Tet McMillian might be a 1k guy but the rest of them aren’t great. You could make an argument that we are similar.

For better or worse, I would pay Kincaid. He’s dynamic (when healthy). The problem I had with the Rousseau, Shakir (a little) and certainly Bernard deals is that they’re all role players. I wouldn’t make a habit of paying for role players. Milano has been hurt the last few years but when he was healthy he was dynamic. I’d always pay guys that I think can be all-pros even if it doesn’t work out. I wouldn’t pay role players as a rule because I think you can find them pretty easily.

I would have paid Benford and Cook. I didn’t love the other deals. You could make a case for Shakir and Rousseau.

Every team has injuries. Total injuries mean nothing. The only thing that matters is WHO is injured. If you asked the Ravens would you rather lose 6 starters on defense or Lamar, they pick 6 starters on defense. Oliver is the only impact player to miss time. Benford is a good player but isn’t having a great year. He matters too. The Bills injury issues are WAY overblown because their best players are playing every week. Oliver is the only guy on the team that matters that has missed more than 1 game!!

Which teams specifically with “lesser talent” are you referring to? I don’t believe that there’s a team with “lesser talent” but I’d be interested to hear who.

That group has combined for as many 900 yard receiving seasons as you and I. They have 2 combined seasons over 800 yards and if you drop that number to 700, they have 1 more for 3 total. For context, Hollywood Brown has 3 such seasons with 1,000 yard season as one of them. Shakir, Palmer and Moore have combined for as many TDs as Gabe Davis and not one of us thought he was acceptable as a number 2. 🤣🤣

If the Bills were missing Josh Allen for a period of time, injuries would be a valid excuse. That would even be true for Cook to a lesser extent. I think that Allen, Cook, Shakir and the entire OL have combined to miss one game (Spencer Brown). Kincaid has missed a game as well. We aren’t in the situation that Baltimore/Cincinnati were/are in.

You just based your entire argument as to why they should stay based on how good the last 5 years have been. When asked if you’re satisfied with those exact 5 years you said, “of course not.” We have seen the last 6 years end in similar fashion. There is no logical reason to have faith in them at this point. We all HOPE that they do it but they haven’t earned the trust that they can. Each year that passes is one less year of prime Josh. If we keep running it back, the Josh Allen window will close someday. If that happens it will be a failure that rivals any team in sport’s history. How many teams will have had a 10 year run like that without even a championship appearance??

Let’s do a little hypothetical. If, over the next 5 years, the Bills do EXACTLY what they did over the last 5 will you be satisfied? Basically, if they win the division and a playoff game or 2 each year will you deem that success? At the end of that time they’ll have a 35 or 36-year-old Josh Allen, 5 more AFCE titles, 60 more wins and 2 AFC Championship appearances. Is that good enough for you?

I’m not personally but I’d like to see less Donaldson. He would be around the goal line only for me. Use him like the Steelers used Bettis at the end of his career.

This feels like good advice. I’d steer clear of SF as that Arizona offense is moving the ball with Brissett although MHJ is out this week. The Cowboys are so inconsistent. They SHOULD win but even bad teams like the Raiders win 4 or 5 games. This is the type of game that those teams can win.

Part of the problem here is people have a tough time detaching from the drought. Obviously they hired a bunch of average to bad coaches in that time. Not one of them had Josh Allen though. What would Chan Gailey look like with Josh? The downside risk just isn’t there to keep status quo. We have 5 or so years of prime Josh left. You can’t miss this window IMO or you might not get one. They’ve already let it get too far IMO.

Lol, a few times a year, you and I are on opposite pages. It makes for good conversation and debate. 🍻 🤷🏻‍♂️

For me, it’s the fact that I think this regime has gotten stale. The Bills were better 4 years ago than they are today. I believe they need a new voice and a fresh outlook. These guys have fallen in love with the guys they chose. That’s why you’re quick to extend Bernard or to bring back guys like Spector and Dane. Personally, I also think that they are near their floor now. With this schedule, and a healthy Josh, 11-6 should be the worst they could be with any competent leadership. There’s no downside risk imo. I don’t think if you hire “insert GM & coach name here” the Bills all of a sudden become a 7 win team. That’s just not happening. These guys get a ton of credit for building to here but they get very little credit for their ability to take it beyond here. Teams on the verge have made changes before and won championships shortly after.

Maybe not. The old Kiffin would have already taken one of these jobs. I do think he goes to Florida but the timing may not work if Ole Miss keeps advancing. He won’t jump ship early this time IMO. He has outgrown that.

I think Lane, post-Saban is a different guy. He’s still a punk but this teams needs a little more of that. That’s one of the qualities that I most desire in the next HC. They’ve lost their edge. They’re better when they’re fiery. That’s certainly true for Josh. Sober Kiffin is a much more mature guy. He’s still a sarcastic jackass but he’s a different dude. He has developed into a really good leader and a winner. The Joey Freshwater days are over. Kiffin is one of the best football coaches in the world IMO. I suspect he goes to Florida but would love him paired with Josh. That’s the best path to a Super Bowl IMO. I do like Kubiak too and would be open to him. As someone that has wanted McDermott gone for a while, I’m open to a lot of alternatives. A new voice is necessary to get to the next step and the clock is ticking. With that being said Gruden isn’t an alternative for me. He’s a bad football coach.

I’m not asking him to marry my daughter. He’s a good football coach, great offensive mind with an edge. This team has no swagger anymore. Watching Josh sit at the end of the bench hanging his head isn’t working for me. I want them to attack. Play with that edge that’s missing. Kiffin will do that. Lol, people are seriously advocating for Jon Gruden but not open to Lane Kiffin?!? 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣 That’s not directed at you specifically. That’s more directed at this group in general. Jon Gruden is a terrible football coach. He’s drafted well. That roster is a lot better now than it was when he got there. He found a QB, pass rush and a star WR. That’s a pretty good start.

Got it

“I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.”

Honestly, Doug Pederson is a better coach. I am not advocating for him either.

Can somebody help me understand the Gruden love? 🤣🤣 Other than, “I’ve heard of that guy” he has largely been a lousy coach. He has a 117-112 record and is arguably the worst coach to win a Super Bowl. He wouldn’t be in my top 10.