Kirby Jackson

I see him somewhere between about 90-150. That is certainly subject to change though (especially for such a flawed prospect). There will be a huge variance on team’s boards when it comes to Jackson just like there was with Josh. Some teams will look at Tyree Jackson as a day 2 guy with huge upside and others will see a player that shouldn’t be drafted.

It’s being at the game and it’s not close. It requires a much bigger commitment but the experience isn’t even close. The question is really “would you rather commit an entire day (or weekend for road games) to a game or not?” Experiencing the game and the ancillary activities has to be done at the stadium.

That what happens with raw guys. Someone has an undrafted grade and someone else has a 2nd. How many QBs in this class are better prospects than Jackson? 5 maybe? Haskins, Lock, Jones, maybe Grier and/or Finley? It’s not a lot. I dont think that he goes kn the 1st coming off of a bad year but wouldn’t at all be surprised if he were off the board by the end of day 2.

We disagree on the backup QB as a draft pick at this point. You can throw a rock and get a guy to fill that role. As an example, if one of these QBs went out now and his team needed a guy they could add Sam Bradford, Jay Cutler or Matt Moore. Every one of those guys is WAY ahead of where a young backup is. You don’t need to waste a late round asset on a low ceiling QB. It is a terrible strategy. Either go for a guy with the tools to eventually play or fill out the back of your roster with guys that will contribution special teams. We will see I guess but I doubt it. It will take one team to look at Jackson’s raw skill set and take a swing on developing him. I’m thinking he goes late 3rd to 4th. He is Cardale Jonesish.

This class is not good though. If you had a choice to take a guy late that has limited upside or a lottery ticket which way would you go? I’m buying lottery tickets late. I’d much rather draft a guy like Tyree that develops or washes out than a guy that will never be better than bad. You can find a zillion guys on the street to do that if you need it. The Bills added Barkley and Anderson off the street and both were better than Peterman. Don’t bother with guys like him or Levi Brown or Gibran Hamadan. Buy lottery tickets because you can always find a competent back-up.

I think it’s a good decision personally. This QB class is so weak that someone is going to take him. Next year’s class looks a lot tougher. This is just a down year for the position. He has raw physical tools. In the mid to late rounds you are probably looking for a “toolsy” prospect instead of a “pro-ready” guy like Peterman.

You’d be amazed at the hypocrisy that these guys live by. They have no issues with the guys doing it but if the wife or girl does it’s a different story. Look at Tony Parker and Brent Barry or Jason Richardson and Steve Nash or Derek Fisher and Matt Barnes. That’s how it happens. The guys and teams pick sides. This team (and locker room) has an allegiance to Poyer.

They vacation together!! This regime has done everything to build culture. They aren’t bringing in the guy most likely to burn it down. It’s not happening.

They aren’t going to take kindly to a guy that slept with one of their best friend’s wife. It just isn’t going to happen.

It’s a fair offer but it’s not happening. Brown isn’t coming into that locker room after the Rachel Bush stuff (regardless of whether or not Poyer is there). Poyer, Hyde and Tre are EXTREMELY close. They aren’t going to bring in a guy who will immediately divide the locker room. AJ Green is a possibility but AB isn’t.

I usually don’t let stuff like this bother me but this kind of did. The Allen haters are going to die on that hill. Whether you like him or not there isn’t a reasonable person in the world that can have him 10 spots below Mariota or below Bortles. Rosenthal should have just said, “I didn’t believe that he would be a good QB when he was drafted. 5 TDs and the AFC Offensive Player of the Week aren’t changing my mind. He stays at 32 forever.”

Fun Fact: Van Miller and my grandfather were lifelong best friends. They grew up in Dunkirk together. My grandfather would do crazy stuff and Van would solicit money for him to do it. They’d split it at the end of the day. When my grandfather passed away Van couldn’t do it. His wife came but he couldn’t do it. I loved that guy!! #lamp

Again, examples can be cherry picked to support the case that they matter. When you look at the entire sample teams that threw for 300 lost more than they won. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick too. It doesn’t mean that you will find your QB in the 6th round. There isn’t a correlation between 300 yard games and wins. The record says that.

Jordan Poyer is a glaring omission to me. He was the Bills best player this season IMO.

I never said they were bad games. I said there was no correlation to winning. Teams that’s threw for 300 yards were 2 games under .500. Teams that didn’t were 2 games over .500. Gross stats in general don’t tell a story. Efficiency stats do a much better job of it. It’s not an issue though. It doesn’t correlate to winning. It is fun but doesn’t equal wins or losses.

300 yard passers were 64-66-2 this year. I still don’t see why people care about 300 yard games? There isn’t a correlation to winning.

This was incredible!! It’s by far the best that they’ve ever done.

It’s their own fault. They will need to win a round to keep him. They will try (which could end up even worse). They may add someone like Beal this year to try to make a run. It will cost them something like Niko and a 1st. If it doesn’t work they’ll trade AD for something like that Lakers package. As bad as it will be you could start next year with a worse core than Lonzo, Holiday, Beal, Ingram, Randle, and Kuzma. They’ll need some size but that’s a nice young team. It still won’t matter though. That’s like being Denver. You can’t win with a bunch of fringe all-stars. You win with MVP candidates.

It’s coming. I’ve said for years on here what a disaster that crew is. They are totally incompetent. They landed Drew Brees, Payton and Benson went senile at the same time. They are as inept a group as there is but have won despite it. Having worked in sports for some time and knowing a zillion people that work for them it’s kind of sad (but inevitable). They will get an elite package in return but still... It is going to be something like Kuzma, Lonzo, Ingram and a 1st or Tatum, Smart, Horford and a 1st (or something like that). It will be the biggest return a team has ever received but you can’t trade generational players for future All-Stars but that’s what will happen.

Again, you are not bringing a player that slept with arguably your best player’s wife into your locker room!! There is no other reasoning that needs to be discussed. Even if the cost was a 7th it can’t be done on our team.

Love the topic Gug!! The train horn has been an important part of our drinking game in New Orleans. If you see Niagara Falls, someone tossing wings or hear the train horn you take a sip. It’s not really a game as much as it is organized alcoholism. With that being said, I’m done with the damn train horn.

Bush and Brown supposedly slept together prior to Poyer cheating on her. This is where I’m at. I think (and have thought) that Brown may be the best player in football. He just can’t be here with his issues with Poyer (and in turn, Hyde, White and the rest of that crew). Green would be cheaper and fit well in the locker room. He too is a great player. To me, this has way less to do with “is AB selfish” and WAY more to do with the fact that he almost ended the marriage of one of our most popular players. His antics aren’t what will keep him out of Buffalo. It’s the Poyer situation. You can’t have that drama in the locker room.

I think that the Rachel Bush - Antonio Brown piece takes him out of the equation in Buffalo. Even if Poyer is a part of the deal I don’t see it happening. That secondary is EXTREMELY close. I’d be shocked if the Bills brought Brown into that locker room. He could potentially tear down what they’ve worked so hard to build.

He wasn’t my guy. I had him behind the other 4 but ahead of Rudolph (who some people loved for some strange reason). As it stands now, I’m thrilled with the Allen pick. He looks like a future star to me. He makes A LOT of plays with a very limited supporting cast. To me, his future is the brightest of the group. I was scared by his boom or bust qualities but I think the odds of “boom” are WAY better than I initially believed.