Kirby Jackson

9 and a 4th for 15, their 2nd and one of their 3rds is a deal that I’d do in a heartbeat. This would give the Bills 5 players before the end of day 2.

Again, I’m not talking about “insert coach here.” We are talking about Alabama and in turn Saban. They are at a different level. We aren’t talking Miami and Mark Richt (or formerly Mark Richt). The move from Saban to the NFL is minimal (which is why his guys flourish so early).

Foster was the backup. I have a good friend that played for Saban in college and Belichick in the NFL. There is virtually no difference between the 2 according to him (except Saban is much more vulgar).

Again, stop using “win or cover” interchangeably. Cover is the question. Alabama IS A team of 19-22 year old pros. We are starting their backups!! Every single guy that starts there will be in the NFL. You need to pay attention to recruiting to understand that. The recruiting world has changed drastically in the last 5 years. This conversation has changed drastically because of it. These aren’t regional teams anymore. They are all-star teams assembled with the best players around the country. They are young pros not yet in the league. They are at these schools because they prepare guys for the next level. Alabama pays their strength coach more than Akron pays their head coach. No reasonable person talked about an outright win. I started the thread when I saw the post from Westgate Las Vegas. It was ALWAYS about 28.5. Some people elected to change the narrative to strengthen their case. I did, and still believe, that Clemson and Alabama could be within 4 TDs of a bad NFL team. They certainly have more 1st rounders playing than any NFL team does. There isn’t a talent gap, size gap or speed gap. There is an experience gap that is massive. We literally plugged in a backup WR that would have been their 4th or 5th option (Jeudy, DeVonta Smith, Ruggs, Waddle and Irv Smith) this year and he was our number 1. This conversation can’t be had with someone that doesn’t follow the specific personnel. You cant look at this situation and say “no college team could cover.” You need to analyze the matchups to see where the issues would lie. The interior DL of Alabama and Clemson would give FITS to Bodine, Miller and Teller. The guys at Clemson will both be off the board by 20. They are better now than any of our interior OL. Ferrell will be a top 10 pick as a pass rusher. Are we supposed to believe that Jordan Mills will shut him down? Trevor Lawrence is thought of as the best QB prospect since Peyton. Ettiene is going in round 1 next year. The receivers are young but loaded, etc... I don’t know how anyone paying attention can look at the specific players and not see this? Sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling “LA LA LA LA LA LA” doesn’t move the conversation forward. This isn’t a conversation that can be had at 10,000 feet. It needs to be held at the player level.

Another sad story about a former Bills player grieving. I always liked NRC. Hopefully he can find peace with tragedy. http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/39705/lifetime-of-sorrow-hasnt-taken-everything-from-rams-cb-nickell-robey-coleman

By the way I LOVE Antonio Brown back to the Steelers at 15:1. That is PHENOMENAL value.

Why do bad things happen to good people?

Win and cover 28.5 points can’t be used interchangeably as you are trying to do. No one talked about winning. Vegas talked about 28.5. That’s where Las Vegas would have set the line at that point. It never was an asinine discussion. At that point in the year the Bills were on pace for one of the worst offenses of all-time and Bama was rolling. The Bills then inserted a backup rookie WR from Alabama and their 2nd corner into the starting lineup and improved greatly. Do you not see the irony of this? The Bills leading receiver was a backup at Alabama and realistically would have been their 4th or 5th option if he were still there. Wallace was a walk-on. We aren’t talking about former Alabama stars (although Wallace finished his career strong). We are talking about the “worker bees” of their program making a massive difference on our team as rookies. I’m going to bow out of this now because otherwise it will keep going round and round. The point was that it is possible that 1/3 of the 1st round (Miller is projecting 1/4 but not including Lawrence or a few others that can go in the 1st) is made up of guys from those 2 schools. People keep referring to “a college team” and the point was these 2 teams are different. Clemson best ND by 30, Wake Forest by 60 and Louisville by 61. Those are all good to great college programs. Their talent and program is in a different league than Clemson. The conversation was never about “a college team.” It was about 1 (now 2) very specific examples that have won the last 4 titles. These programs are young pro teams not good college teams. If you are playing there now, you will be playing on Sunday. That’s where recruiting is. The question was, and is, “would a team full of NFL players that are 19-22 cover 28.5 against a low end NFL team?” That was the question that Vegas raised.

Not trying to go down this road again but in Matt Miller’s latest mock draft 8 of the 32 picks are from Clemson and Alabama. That’s 25% of the first round (and a zillion guys not yet eligible or coming out). The point remains, these aren’t teams with a handful of NFL players. There will be 50 guys on those rosters that will be in the NFL and 20 that will be 1st rounders. No, no they wouldn’t beat an NFL team (no one ever said that they would). No, they wouldn’t be physically dominated by bad NFL teams either. The guys that are there are bigger, faster and stronger. That’s why they go so early.

I voted in a heartbeat even though they can get a great player at 9. I’m thinking 24 and 27 would get you something like Dre’Mont Jones and Hollywood Brown. I think that’s better than Gary or someone like that.

No, he’s not a good player anymore. I’d rather a young athlete that can develop with the going core.

Nice!!

I love America!!

Yeah, they are pretty terrible. Kylie Jenner is worth $900M!!! How?!? For what?!? She’s still a smoke show though.

You guys make me feel young sometimes. There are really this many people on here that have never heard of Travis Scott? He is Kylie Jenner’s (the hottest of the Kardashian’s don’t @ me) baby daddy. He isn’t just famous for Sicko Mode at this point. He famous in pop culture.

Yep, that is the perfect comparison IMO. Tyree has a longer track record of success while Cardale had it at the biggest moments. Similar prospects

Big game from the New Orleans Buckeyes

Some interesting thoughts stony!! If KD went to the Clips that Clippers/Lakers dynamic would be nuts.

KD heading to the Knicks would make the East a lot more interesting especially if AD goes to the Celtics. The East would have AD, KD, Giannis and Kawhi. When was the last time 4 MVP caliber players were in the East?

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AD would instantly be the best player LeBron has ever played with (including Wade in his prime). They just don’t have the chips to get it done IMO. Their best hope is that the Celtics think the asking price is too high and pulls out. Otherwise, it’s going to be exactly as you said. He will be all over Magic and Pelinka to start sending those young guys off for vets (most likely ends up being bad contracts). He then has a 3-year window to try to win another one. The one wild card in all of this is KD. KD is a different dude. I could see him walking away from GS. I don’t think it’s likely but possible.

It’s crazy but I think that it’s likely he misses on all 3. Maybe he can get Boogie, Kemba or Klay? It is either that or he is going to force the Lakers to start trading these young guys in a desperation move. Maybe Lonzo, Ingram and a 1st for Lillard? Maybe they try for Beal or (gasp) Wall?

Agreed, I think that will be their plan. They need to wait until Kyrie’s contract comes up though which is why it won’t be until the summer.

Tua is still going to be an early 1st. He is going to be an NFL starter.

Just out of curiosity which NCAA games did you see? I think that we are all in agreement on 99% of the teams. The conversation isn’t about “a college team” (and never was). It was about Alabama and a 28.5 spread (not straight up). Clemson has to be a part of that conversation as well. If you are talking about solid programs like Louisville or Wake Forest (perenial Bowl teams) Clemson beat them by 60 and 61. If we are talking about an undefeated ND Clemson beat them by 4 scores. We need to stop inserting “could generic college team beat and NFL team” and focus on what the question was (and is) “could Clemson or Alabama cover 28.5 points vs. a bad NFL team?” It’s a totally different question. We can’t use college teams interchangeably. There is a MASSIVE gap between solid programs and Clemson and ‘Bama. Those teams are ONLY recruiting future NFL players. It’s like that run Kentucky had 7 or 8 years ago. They were bringing in 5 of the top 7 players in the country. Without bothering to do the research I would bet that there are more 1st round picks playing at Alabama and Clemson than any NFL team has. Again, there is a giant mental gap but not a talent gap.