Kirby Jackson

This feels harsh to me. He might not have been worth pick 19 but if it was pick 49 we’d think it was solid. He’s a solid player and pretty well-rounded. I’d call him a C+. Busts to me are guys that flame out after their first contract (or sooner). Shaq is going to have a 10 year career IMO if he stays healthy. What percentage of 19th picks make it a decade? 50%? Less? I have no idea but that feels better than a D+.

So you trade Nsekhe & a 2nd. You can always tag him. If you decide not to you get him for a year and a 3rd round comp pick the next year. Also, Clowney functionally has a no-trade clause. He has to agree to the tender before getting traded. If he doesn’t like the destination he won’t go. Gaine wanted him extended and that’s part of the reason he is gone. If Clowney does agree to come here there’s a VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY good chance that the Bills and his agent have discussed the parameters of a deal. Gaine already knows what it will take. If the Bills trade for him it’s because they are comfortable with that number.

You tag him if you have to. You also hired the former Texans GM that tried to negotiate his extension. He knows EXACTLY what it will take to keep him. If Clowney agrees to a trade to the Bills it is fairly certain that there is a wink-wink agreement in place for after the season. Dare to be great. If he leaves in FA, you’ll get a 3rd round comp pick back.

Really?!? A 34 year old swing tackle and a draft pick for Clowney? This is a no brainer IMO. Clowney is in the backfield on every play and fits PERFECTLY into our defense. That defense will go from very good to the best in football (and potentially historically good). If the offense is decent (not even good) that team wins 10 games. They are a better version of last year’s Bears with a higher ceiling. They could legitimately contend for a Super Bowl.

Ironic (but I guess iconic too)

Where are we locking her?

On a side note, how long before these are illegal? Over/under 10 months?

@Howard made an appearance. @Jimmy Spagnola can’t be far behind...

As an early White Claw adopter I am all for this. I was drinking White Claws before it became ironic, when it was just ya know... They are delicious and it doesn’t eat up your calories. Some confident, brave pioneers, like myself, paved the way for bros everywhere. So to all of those Chad’s and Brad’s that were too insecure to indulge on the ground floor, you’re welcome

Howard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Really? The depth on this roster is near the top of the league. We still have, in this scenario (a 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th) and the most cap space in the league. We have better TE depth than we’ve had since the mid 90’s (and maybe better) and added 9 OL. LB depth is young but not weak. Where do you draft a depth LB? Round 4? Good, because we still have that. If you have concerns about the roster development moving forward I don’t know what to tell you. They are in as good a position as any team moving forward. They have young (cheap talent), the most cap space in the league and depth all over (especially on d). They need some top end talent but they have the resources to do that.

Just not sure where the money is going to go otherwise. The Bills don’t have many holes and have the most cap space in football. I expect them to add a couple of stars (like Clowney) and then work to extend a few of our own. That would still leave the Bills with loads of cap space. Hypothetically, say we deal our 2nd and Shaq for Clowney. We tag him if we have to but I’m sure Gaine knows the parameters of a deal. He was supposedly Clowney’s biggest fan. The Bills next offseason could: - Re-Sign Clowney - Sign Costanzo or Scherff to solidify the line - Extend Tre White - Extend Poyer - Draft one of those stud receivers in the 1st like Shenault (won’t get a sniff of Jeudy) That roster would be amazing. The Bills would still have lots of cap flexibility and very few holes.

This makes too much sense. I’m not sure how we get in on this (especially with Waddle out). If he was healthy I guess we could have tried Nsekhe and a 2nd/3rd. The hope is that they would believe Nsekhe was a hidden gem buried on a strong depth chart. 3-way deal with Washington? 2nd to Washington, Williams to Houston, Clowney to Bills

I gave the numbers earlier in the thread that support “worst.” Using the most highly touted QB prospect of all-time as a comparison is craziness. Peyton started slowly but was never going to fail. He was the safest pick at QB EVER. We do agree on one thing, “I think it's fair to say that Peyton proved himself a better QB than Peterman ever will.”

I think Bodine and McDermott has those non-contact jerseys on for the Colts game too. Doesn’t seem like much of an update...

I think that’s it’s in the range of 200. It’s maybe 15 on the road and 185 at home. I really don’t know though. It’s somewhere around there.

No, the talk is Tunsil and a pick

They already showed an interest in AB (who I’d argue is the other big need). In addition, to “if Josh is the guy” the roster is deep. It’s not like they are going to have 10 draft picks make the team in 2020. They have the most cap space in the league already. This is the EXACT type of investment that the Bills should make.

Gregg Williams plan is always the same. Attack and blitz, that’s what he believes in. If you do that against Allen and he steps through he will be running for days. I think (at this point anyways) the way to play Allen is to be disciplined and stay home. Make him beat you from the pocket as a “traditional QB.” Williams won’t do that. That’s just not what he believes in. It’s a good matchup for Josh. When a lane opens, he’s lethal.

Agree, I think Shaq is a really good football player. My dad always says that he reminds him of Phil Hansen and I think that’s a decent comparison. He’s stout against the run and a decent pass rusher. He’s just a solid NFL player. He’s the kind of guy that the Patriots always have.

That was my initial offer as well (edited it to include one of those DEs and a 3rd).

Maybe I’m in the minority but I’m interested. Clowney could push the Bills into an all-time defense IMO. The one thing that the Bills didn’t do was get a ton of pressure. If you add Oliver, Clowney and a healthy Murphy...You can tag him again next year if need be. Let him know you’ll be signing him to a long-term deal. See if you can do it for Shaq/Murphy & a 3rd. This Bills team doesn’t have a lot of holes. I think that they’ll be looking at a WR, pass rusher and maybe another OL next year. Clowney checks a big box and with the cap space and picks left they can address those needs.

I may be in the minority but think that Josh is potentially a problem for Gregg Williams defense. If he evades the inevitable rush he is going to make some big plays with his arm and legs. At this point in his career I think that the type of defense Josh would struggle most with would be similar to the Bills. They are disciplined and often have 7 guys in coverage. The Jets are going to be coming from everywhere and if Josh steps up he might be running for days.

Naw, just always been creepy

I was just as creepy in Buffalo.