Kirby Jackson

No, the talk is Tunsil and a pick

They already showed an interest in AB (who I’d argue is the other big need). In addition, to “if Josh is the guy” the roster is deep. It’s not like they are going to have 10 draft picks make the team in 2020. They have the most cap space in the league already. This is the EXACT type of investment that the Bills should make.

Gregg Williams plan is always the same. Attack and blitz, that’s what he believes in. If you do that against Allen and he steps through he will be running for days. I think (at this point anyways) the way to play Allen is to be disciplined and stay home. Make him beat you from the pocket as a “traditional QB.” Williams won’t do that. That’s just not what he believes in. It’s a good matchup for Josh. When a lane opens, he’s lethal.

Agree, I think Shaq is a really good football player. My dad always says that he reminds him of Phil Hansen and I think that’s a decent comparison. He’s stout against the run and a decent pass rusher. He’s just a solid NFL player. He’s the kind of guy that the Patriots always have.

That was my initial offer as well (edited it to include one of those DEs and a 3rd).

Maybe I’m in the minority but I’m interested. Clowney could push the Bills into an all-time defense IMO. The one thing that the Bills didn’t do was get a ton of pressure. If you add Oliver, Clowney and a healthy Murphy...You can tag him again next year if need be. Let him know you’ll be signing him to a long-term deal. See if you can do it for Shaq/Murphy & a 3rd. This Bills team doesn’t have a lot of holes. I think that they’ll be looking at a WR, pass rusher and maybe another OL next year. Clowney checks a big box and with the cap space and picks left they can address those needs.

I may be in the minority but think that Josh is potentially a problem for Gregg Williams defense. If he evades the inevitable rush he is going to make some big plays with his arm and legs. At this point in his career I think that the type of defense Josh would struggle most with would be similar to the Bills. They are disciplined and often have 7 guys in coverage. The Jets are going to be coming from everywhere and if Josh steps up he might be running for days.

Naw, just always been creepy

I was just as creepy in Buffalo.

There really is no better place to talk Bills football. We don’t always agree on things but we all have one thing in common -our love for Rachel Bush.

You said that he was “a Matt Barkley type.” I stuck their numbers next to each other demonstrating that Barkley has been twice as effective. It’s fine that Peterman is getting a shot. We just shouldn’t overrate who he is by calling him a “Barkley type.” We should say that “”he is historically the worst qB of all-time and is getting another shot.” That’s an accurate statement.

In all seriousness, he’s underrated as a runner. He’s pretty effective when he takes off and he isn’t scared.

Matt Barkley is 174-291, 59.8% completion, 7.4 YPA, 10 TDs & 18 INTs, with a 68.3 rating in his career. Nate is 68-130, 52.3% completion, 4.2 YPA, 3 TDs & 12 INTs, with a 32.5 rating in his career. Nate ISN’T a “Matt Barkley type.” That’s an insult to Barkley (who hasn’t exactly been Joe Montana). Barkley has been more than twice as effective as Nate. I promise that I'm done in this thread. Just want to provide FACTS to show just how bad Nate has been. Anyone can pick the worst QB that they can think of with at least 130 attempts and put them side-by-side. He will be worse. He was literally that bad. The worst that has ever played.

He’s literally the worst player that’s ever played the position. - 356 QBs have thrown at least 130 passes over the last 40 NFL seasons. Nate Peterman ranks DEAD LAST with a passer rating of 32.5. Only one other player (Spergyon Wynn at 39.5) is below a rating of 42. - Nate Peterman’s 9.2 INT % ranks DEAD LAST and only one other guy is above a 7 (Peter Tom Willis at 8.2). Peterman is doing this in an era where guys are lighting it up in the passing game. To further the example, since he entered the league his passer rating is 32.5. The next lowest of ANY QB in that window with at least 130 pass attempts is 60. The next worst QB in the league has been TWICE as good as Nate.

Death, taxes and Peterman lighting it up in August

That’s a part. I’ve worked in the negotiations with the state before when I worked in the NBA. We charged $10 a beer and barely got anything.

I agree but like the move nonetheless. The fringe roster guys on the DL are better than the fringe roster guys on the OL. Bates can also be a PS guy. These are the types of moves that good organizations make. Whether he makes it or not, he has a better chance to help this team than Harold had. The Bills are staying active and not getting complacent. I love that mentality.

The reality is none of those parties get the ROI that a restaurant does on a beer (for example). It’s almost like taking a high interest loan. By the time you factor in the expenses + cost of goods and then divide the rest 4 ways (or whatever it is in the Bills case) it isn’t a lot. Now if you own your stadium (Jerry Jones) or one the concession business (Jeremy Jacobs) I suppose that you could take less. They don’t have to but can.

There are a lot of hands in the pot which is why arena/stadium concessions are so expensive. The concessionaire, county, team, etc... all need to get a cut.

Game pass is free for 7 days. I just signed up for it and will cancel tomorrow

Under 35.5

https://www.stubhub.com/buffalo-bills-tickets-buffalo-bills-orchard-park-new-era-field-8-8-2019/event/104104485/?sort=price+asc&qty=2&qqd=1&qtyq=false

Not all are coming from New Orleans but some of are. I’d say that the NOLA crew will probably end up being 10ish. There are 5 that I know are already booked from here. I’ll know a little more after tonight.

I guess that my point is that this isn’t who he was 12 years ago. Once Myra passed away he started wearing Jordan’s and dating 30 year-olds. It was like a 3rd quarter life crisis. No one begrudges anyone for having fun but there is a different place that we all fit. It’s like he took that as a chance to reinvent himself as the “cool owner.” You can’t try to become something that you aren’t. People see right through that. It comes across as fake. That is why I used Michael Rubin as the contrast. It doesn’t feel at all fake when he does the same things. It’s more natural. It’s his environment. I used my own example too. It’s totally normal if I meet my co-worker at happy hour at certain places. It’s weird if I go to flip night at the college bar where half of the crowd is under 21. I’m self-aware enough to know where I fit in and where I don’t. 99% of the population has that instinct. The people that try to fool people into thinking that they belong stick out. That’s the “new Bob Kraft.” The irony is that BB and TB know EXACTLY who they are. They fit perfectly into their environment and evolve with it. My buddy that played there LOVES them and swears by Brady. He said at all times he was the leader but totally under control. He goes to dinner, a party or a bar or whatever. He’d fit in seamlessly, pick up the tab and slide out without ever making a mistake or scene. The Brady you see on TV or read about is apparently the EXACT same person that he is in a small group. He’s extremely comfortable in his own skin. There is nothing phony about him. Kraft is a 180 from that.

No, he thinks that he fits in (hence his own sneaker line). He thinks that he is “in” that group. He’s not. There are a few owners in sports that can fit in that scene and he’s not one (regardless of how bad he wants to be). Mark Cuban (although he’s almost aging out) and Michael Rubin come to mind. Rubin is 45 and grew up in this culture and generation. It’s not fake when he is hanging out with Meek Mill. When a 78 year-old Bob Kraft is with Cardi B and/or Meek Mill it is to prove to everyone that he’s young and hip. He’s not. You never see the Virginia McCasky at Lollapalooza. We all have a lane to stay in and SHOULD be self-aware enough to know where we belong. You can have fun and be cool regardless of your age. I have a friend that I work with that’s 23 and is always trying to get me to hang out. He’s in the middle of the social scene at all times. I’m 38 and it’s really weird if I go hang in his circle. It’s a bunch of kids recently out of college on their parent’s health insurance. We are in TOTALLY different places. I don’t belong. I’m out and having fun all of the time but in a crowd that’s 32-45 or so. That’s the environment that I belong in. I just think that he’s fake af. He so desperately needs the “cool kids” appreciation that it comes across as ridiculous. A “cool” 78 year-old is way different than a “cool” 28 year-old. Each is fine but when a 78 year-old tries to be the 28 year-old they get laughed at. It’s the Steve Buscemi gif. That’s why that gif is funny.