Kirby Jackson

Yeah, I’m coming in Friday morning and leave at like 9 Sunday Night. I just texted Boyst. There are going to be A TON of Bills fans at this one. I’m thinking that it will be second to the Jacksonville playoff game.

You going to be out there?

The Browns should snap the ball a little later in the play clock. I mean last night they left a full second on there about a dozen times.

Siran Neal was EVERYWHERE on Sunday

I would have liked Fitzpatrick (although didn’t want to do a 1st). He was a guy that could have taken us to the next level. Ramsey has the talent to do the same but is potentially a problem in the locker room. The Bills don’t need that at the moment. I’m passing on him for the reason.

Steelers for a 1st

It’s a good move for any team but especially those with Super Bowl aspirations. Dallas makes a ton of sense to me as does KC.

Ha ha, I’d say that you probably spent a fair amount of time analyzing them all and blocking out the noise from the talking heads. FWIW, they all may be franchise guys still. Rosen has been in disastrous situations but not ready to bury him yet. If he ends up in Pittsburgh or New Orleans or New England he has a chance to be developed. All of those teams (excluding maybe Pittsburgh) need their “next” guy. Miami could easily pull the plug on him. ...but EVERYTHING had to do with him playing QB. You can win in this league a variety of ways. Josh won late last year primarily with his legs too. His passing has caught up this year. It’s the exact same thing. You win by scoring points not by accumulating passing stats.

The point was, and is, they were polarizing prospects. Some people had their minds made up that one and/or the other would flop. Bill Polian said that Lamar was a WR!! Those people (not Polian) have dug in, despite evidence to the contrary in an effort to it be proven right. As of today, those people that criticized the Allen and/or Jackson picks are wrong. It can change for sure. They have both been VERY effective and are trending up. The people nitpicking them to prove themselves right is my issue. I just want people to admit, “at this point I may be wrong. They both look like they can play.”

It’s a small sample size but is proven in that it HAS happened. They have HAD great performances. They HAVE winning records. That’s just the truth. It doesn’t mean that it will continue but it certainly CAN. Fair enough

Let me guess, you weren’t a fan of Lamar coming out were you? That’s kind of the point that I’m making. People do the same thing with Josh. You can cherry pick whatever you want with either but the reality is Lamar is 8-1 as a starter and been dominant this year. He was effective last year, as was Josh, and both appear to have taken massive steps. That’s what happens with young QBs.

It is out on everyone with a few starts. However, they are 15-7 as starters (Jackson is 8-1). If you thought that Jackson “was a RB” or Allen’s completion percentage would prevent him from ever having success you were wrong. It doesn’t mean that they will end up in the HOF but both have already proven that they can be effective, and at times dominant, NFL QBs.

I liked all 5 of the QBs (I didn’t have Rudolph in that mix). Rosen and Baker were my two favorites coming in. I was mad when we took Allen instead of Rosen so not saying I was right. It’s the people that were positive Allen and/or Lamar would suck that are still digging in that look like idiots.

A spin-off question, “which group of people are worse, those that were positive Allen would suck or those that were positive Lamar would suck?” They both look like idiots at the moment.

They were talking about it early on the pregame show today and used Cam as the example. He won an MVP at 59% and had the worst year of his career at 68%. It’s a totally worthless stat because so many factors count. Trent Edwards probably could have completed 75% but it would have been awful.

Haven’t read the thread but I’m (gasp) with Jeremy White on this. I really don’t care (even a little) what Josh’s completion percentage is. 3rd downs, TD to Turnover (including rushing) and red zone efficiency is all that I care about. I’m happy with the progress of Josh. He looks like a guy and it’s been a generation since we could say that. He looks like the guy that we’ve been looking for and I couldn’t be happier.

Oh no just to be clear the last 15 years or so have been TERRIBLE for the genre (excluding Kendrick Lamar). My point was just that I like guys that have SOME skill in both areas. Do you remember how bad Kobe was as a rapper or the countless rappers in the NBA celebrity game that made you cringe? My point was just I respect those other guys that don’t embarrass themselves in either. Dame is a bit of an exception because he’s a legit MVP candidate and pretty damn good as a lyricist (starts at the 2:45 mark and is over one of my favorite beats ever):

I doubt it. AB was on the sidelines for his OU games last year. I don’t think that they are some strange distant cousins.

Good guess!! They are pretty close.

Kurt Warner and Romo played in the NFC

Save some for the rest of us!!

Not sure that this has to do with anything but one of the signs Bama holds up on the sidelines is a Bills logo.

Luck to me is tricky but appeared to be on his way to greatness despite the injuries. I guess that I look at it as if I was starting a franchise, knowing what we know now, in what order would I draft the QBs? To me, Flacco was clutch when he got to the playoffs but was rarely, if ever, the reason that his team got there. I did go back and forth on those 2 (in part because of career length) but I just think Luck was a better player.

I agree and have always been a Flacco defender (at least until the last 2 or 3 years). He’s been underrated and tough in the playoffs. Even still his 15 game playoff career doesn’t put him on par with Rivers. Rivers is a HOF QB. Flacco is Nick Foles in a lot of ways (and I mean that as a compliment). He is a guy that rises in big moments. Rivers is historically great. He will retire top 5 in most, if not all, major categories. I know that we are in a passing era but that doesn’t take away from how effective he has been. If I’m ranking AFC QBs since 2000 it is: - Brady - Peyton - Ben - Rivers - Luck - Flacco - Carson Palmer - Gannon - Pennington - Alex Smith - Dalton - Schaub Obviously, there are some young guys now that will almost certainly break into that list. A couple year sample size though isn’t enough for me (which is also why Brees isn’t on my list).

I think 5th best is an interesting question. Rivers is 8th all-time in yards, 6th all-time in TDs, 9th all-time in passer rating, 8th all-time in completions, and 10th all-time on completion percentage. He’s, without question, the 4th best AFC QB this century. There is not a debate to be made for anyone else. Flacco’s good run doesn’t overshadow Rivers’ decade and a half of dominance.