Kirby Jackson

Just to be clear I don’t think Chad Kelly is terrible. He’s better than some guys floating out there. With that being said a guy with his talent and checkered past would likely be out of the league if not for Jim’s relationships. He falls into the “juice isn’t worth the squeeze” category.

Not flawed at all, he was the last pick in the draft. He has a laundry list of injuries and off the field incidents. His horrible decision making has been well-documented. If he wasn’t an idiot he probably would have been a mid-round pick. He’s not a “championship level QB.” That would require him to win championships. He didn’t perform well in “team situations” either. He was at the team Halloween party and asked to leave. Chad proceeded to break into the home of a married woman and was beaten with a vacuum hose. He was released shortly thereafter. He’s, maybe a top 70 QB(ish) and has red flags galore. If his name was anything else he wouldn’t be around.

My issue with the bolded is that you are missing the two most important reasons that he keeps getting chances: last name and his uncle’s relationships. If his name was Chad Jones and his uncle was a welder he would have been out of the league a while ago. I don’t begrudge him for taking advantage of the situation but he’s been presented an opportunity and more chances than a regular person with the same resume/rap sheet would have.

There are a couple of ideas that have been floated in different sports that I kind of like. 1. All of the non-playoff teams have their own tournament for draft order. Single elimination with wins moving your pick earlier. Once you are eliminated the teams with the best record pick sooner than the teams with the worse record. 2. Do the same without the tournament. The last team to miss the playoffs picks 1st and works backwards from there. This prevents tanking IMO. It benefits you to win.

Yeah, all that he needs is someone to give him a chance...

I just saw it and had to add it to this. They’ve given up 1 TD and have 18 INTs. That’s better than NP

As historically great as the Pats D is to this point opposing QBs are still doing better against them than Peterman did against anyone (courtesy of Bill Barnwell) ??: Player A: 52.3% completion percentage, 4.2 yards per attempt, 9.2% INT rate Player B: 50.8% completion percentage, 5.0 yards per attempt, 7.8% INT rate Player A is quarterback Nathan Peterman, who was badly overmatched in his four starts with the Bills from 2017 to '18. The fifth-round pick posted a passer rating of 32.5 on 130 pass attempts; when you adjust for era using Pro Football Reference's index statistics, Peterman is the second-worst quarterback in the history of football with 100 or more pass attempts. Player B isn't really one player; it's the collected line of all the quarterbacks who have faced the New England Patriots' defense this season. Those quarterbacks have combined to post a passer rating of 35.6, just 3.1 points better than Peterman's mark. I get that the Patriots haven't played a tough slate of opposing quarterbacks, but they've still gone up against veterans such as Ben Roethlisberger and Colt McCoy and highly touted young players such as Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones. Bill Belichick's defense has reduced them to collectively performing about as poorly as the worst quarterback of the past 80 years.

Fair enough and he may have lost a step. With that being said how many times have we said, “if ______ was in ______’s system he’d be a star.” The reality is that Josh Gordon has been a dominant player while playing in an all-time bad situation. It’s reasonable to believe that he could be at least a good player in a good situation. He’s actually proven that he can dominate (not saying that he will again).

I mean Josh Gordon is an obvious yes if you get the chance. He’s an elite talent that instantly upgrades our group. The cost is minimal and there is no pick associated with it. He’s the type of guy that can win you a game. ...except for the year that he had 1646 yards with Jason Campbell and Brandon Weeden throwing him the football. Even this year he’s averaging around 50 yards a game.

I hope so and not just for selfish reasons. That guy has been through hell. I hope that every team cares enough about the person to at least consider what’s best for him.

If I understand the process correctly they just have to wait until after the trade deadline passes and then he will be subjected to waivers. That’s exactly what the Patriots will do. He will ask in good faith and for his own well-being to be able to pick his situation. I doubt that they allow that.

Yeah, I think it’s unlikely too. If he could be had for a 3rd though I’d do it in a second.

Corey Davis is rumored to be out there and would be an interesting “Jerry Hughes type” of move. You can maybe resurrect the career of a former early pick with a lot of talent. He’s played with trash Mariota.

That is insane. In fairness though we would need to break out those other 2 teams as well to see what the d scored and how many points were allowed by the offense or ST. While this stat MOSTLY is a representation of defense it does say “Patriots, Bucs, Ravens” and not “Patriots D, Bucs D, Ravens D.” It is insane nonetheless. I’m of the belief that this Pats D (at this point) absolutely has to be considered with the “all-time” greats. Anyone denying that is just because they hate the Pats. I despise them. I would cheer for Russia against them. However, you cannot be rational and deny their dominance.

I don’t know that’s not necessarily how it works. It’s QUITE possible, if not likely, that they’ve inquired on a bunch of guys. They didn’t like the price tag so they walked away. Apparently they inquired on Sanu for one. When a reputable NFL insider puts a teams name in a tweet like this it is almost always true. It is a very, very small percentage of deals discussed that actually get done.

I don’t know have you seen how well we’ve drafted the last few years?!? I’d rather keep the 7th round pick than trade it for Julio. I mean he’s old and too expensive.

I agree with GMFB. Their cover 0 is going to start influencing others but the complexity of it will make it difficult. They turn the ball over like crazy and shut teams down. There is no doubt in my mind that they are historically great. Makes me sad

That depends on how outrageous x value is. To me it depends on the price

This is like the “Z” squad

Like this

I guess realistic from a “reasonable compensation” standpoint. That’s a fair criticism because it isn’t likely. I like Hooper quite a bit. I like OJ Howard at the right price too.

That’s why it’s in CAPS lol. It would be a waste of everyone’s time if someone came here and said “I’d give a future 7th for Julio” and then 26 people call him an idiot. Let’s try to have a real discussion.

There are a bunch of threads out there on specific players that are “available.” It seems to make sense to consolidate some of those with the deadline approaching and some big deals already occurring. If you could make 1 trade for the Bills at this point what would it be? Give the actual realistic parameters of the deal as well. I will go first and it may be controversial: a 2nd and Cody Ford to Washington for Trent Williams. Ford is still a young player but doesn’t look to me like he will ever be a tackle. Williams gives the Bills book ends and a really good OL. Washington takes the pick plus the young OL as part of their rebuild. He can instantly replace Flowers and give them something to work with. What deals are you guys making?

Feeling better about my bet on the Texans to win the division