Kirby Jackson

I’m in the same boat as you Bill. The Bills NEED some guys that win because they’re better. They need some guys that keep D coordinators up at night. There are a few in this draft and some that will come out of nowhere and be great. If the Bills add “the” guy instead of “a” guy they have a chance to win it all.

I guess it probably sounds like I’m talking out of both sides of my mouth. I’m not, at all, opposed to trading up. I just would do so with this year’s picks and players. I’d use 2021 picks after the 1st. To me, that’s just a gamble that I’d never take.

The worst case scenario is that Allen gets hurt and our tough schedule proves too much. We bottom out and have a top 5 pick that we’ve traded away. If the cost is a 2021 1st I’m out. I’d rather have Jefferson + my 2021 pick than only Jeudy/Ruggs/Lamb. I HATE the idea of a future 1st for a prospect. EDIT: Just to clarify if you could add protections like in the NBA I’d be fine with it. A top 15 protected 1st or whatever. There is just too much uncertainty and parody in the NFL for me to trade an asset that I have no idea what it is.

My buddy is a scout there and told me Trufant will be gone. It may be more but I’m confident that’s happening.

Exactly!! You can throw the Jags in there as well. The reality though is even in those disaster type scenarios you can make 1 to 2 semi-difficult decisions and be back okay. Trufant goes and you are back above water (at least somewhat).

I never like the idea of trading an unknown for an unknown (QB excluded). If I knew that the Bills 2021 pick would be 25, cool. Things happen though. If I’m trading next year’s 1st is only do it for a proven star. I’d do it for OBJ for example. I’m not trading 22 and a 2021 1st that could be anywhere for a prospect regardless of how much I like him. I loved Sammy coming out. I had no issue with the move for him at the time. It turns out I was wrong. The idea of trading pick number 22 & ? for a ? doesn’t work for me.

And be FINE in cap shape moving forward. There really is no such thing as “cap problems” unless you’re totally incompetent.

If Ruggs fell to 22 you SPRINT to the podium

FWIW, no visiting players like playing in Buffalo. The stadium is old, visiting locker room bad, cold outside, hostile fans and comparatively poor hotels. That’s what they experience when they come to play the Bills.

It isn’t though. This is more true than ever with 2 extra playoff games and a 17 game schedule. It’s the EXACT opposite in fact. The players salaries are a percentage of league wide revenue. The new CBA gives them a higher percentage than they currently get (cap grows) and the extra games create even more revenue (cap grows again). You can’t look at a number that might feel high you have to look at it in relation to the cap.

Then I guess we disagree on that. This year I’d love one of those 3. I’m not moving up to a spot that will require next year’s first to do it.

We have no issues there either though. The rising cap works for everyone. What’s an “overpayment” today may be a bargain in 2 years. The cap grows like $10M a year. $15M for a good (not great) starting CB won’t be bad value at all with a $230M cap in 3 years. That’s the point. That’s what the smart teams have realized. That’s why there’s no such thing as “cap problems.” You just keep pushing the money later knowing that the cap will grow. EXACTLY!!

If the cap keeps rising every year that’s not an issue. In 2 years that may even be considered good value.

If you read my posts I’ve said that I have no issue (at all) trading up for a top 3 WR. I don’t want to use next year’s 1 but I’m fine using the 2 and another pick to get one of them. That post that you quoted was about trading back into the late 1st for a guy. I don’t see the value. The guys in the late 1st aren’t much different than the guys in round 2.

I thought you were talking about trading the following year’s first.

If this draft started Lamb and Anae we should be thrilled.

He just cleared protocol from the preseason last week!! You are 100% correct but they’ll never do that because guys will just hide it. I have a good friend that played for 7 seasons. He was a backup LB and special teamer. He said that he had a few documented concussion but had more than a dozen more that he never said anything. As a guy fighting to stay on a roster he was worried about his job.

I don’t think there’s any doubt about that. This team is not adding 9 rookies. They just don’t have the room on the roster. He will do what he does, target guys and go get them.

That’s not an indicator either. There is nothing that makes a 2nd round receiver better than a 1st. Just because teams had their boards wrong doesn’t mean you should wait. You should just do a better job assembling your board.

Sammy too Still though, that has nothing to do with this draft. What they did previously when trading away a future first has no correlation to what would happen this time. They may get a HOFer or they may get Peterman.

It’s like anything. It depends how your board stacks up. If you have the 3 WRs in your top 10 (as an example) and the next one not until 30 (as an example) you may try to get up to get a guy in that Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs tier. That holds true for any position but based on the way that they have targeted WR in this draft it seems like the likeliest position.

I agree. I was just using 15 as a round number. I think Tampa at 14 would be the realistic target of one of them gets past Indy.

I know what you are suggesting. I don’t think that’s realistic. The tier of players doesn’t really move between 20 and 60 in this draft IMO. You aren’t going to trade to 30 to get Reagor (as an example) when you can get Ayiuk (as an example) with your 2nd. The gap isn’t there. I agree that with your premise that they will be aggressive but I don’t believe it will be like you suggest.

I could get behind this for sure. The Bills don’t have a lot of holes. I think this offseason is about quality and not quantity. They are going to target certain guys in FA and the draft that they think will make the difference. They will swing aggressively to add those guys. I use the top 3 WRs as an example but if one of them is there around 15, the Bills will be on the phone.

I never like the idea of next year’s first. Things change quickly in the NFL. God forbid an injury to Josh and you might be dealing a top 5 pick a year from now for a swing at a WR that you may be able to get 20 picks after. I’m okay moving up for one of the top 3 WRs if the cost is right (2nd and a late pick). I’m not for trading next year’s 1st.