Kirby Jackson

I think there are some important differences that we should discuss. I haven’t read the thread so they may have already been mentioned. There’s a big difference between a guy that they shouldn’t have picked and a guy that couldn’t play. The Bills shouldn’t have picked Spiller or Whitner. Maybin and McCargo couldn’t play. For me, it’s much worse to take a guy that couldn’t play over a guy that you shouldn’t have taken. If I’m to declare a “worst pick of the last 20 years” it has to be Maybin. He checked both boxes. He shouldn’t have been picked (Orakpo was the top available option at the position) and he couldn’t play. He was drafted to rush the passer and had as many sacks in a Bills uniform as I did. Glad to see him making a difference in his post-football life but he’s the worst pick that we’ve had.

If you think that the Bills will trade (at minimum) their 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th I have a bridge for sale. They wouldn’t trade that for any player that will still be around at 32. They may not do it for Chase Young. If they had another 2nd then maybe I could see it. This year the Bills will be trying to load up between 50 and like 110. That’s the strength of this draft anyways. They’ll try to pick 3 times in there and then probably twice more. they aren’t going to use all of their picks but they don’t have the ammo to get into the 1st. Maybe they can go to like 40 if there’s someone that they LOVE but that would still cost them 54 and 86.

The price to go to 32 (590 points) is our 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th (587.4 points). It’s not happening. The only chance is if there is a player involved that they think they don’t need (maybe Ford or Wallace). Those are a couple of younger guys that may have some value. As a straight trade of picks it’s just not doable.

I don’t see it. It’s too expensive especially for a team with minimal needs. I think that it’s more likely that they try to get up to have 3 top 3 round picks. Maybe something like 86, 128 & 167 for 89 & 105. The Bills would then pick 54, 89 and 105. They’d still have 2 6ths and a 7th. They may even use those to come back up again. As an example the 2 6ths can get you back into mid 5. If there’s a guy that you love still there (like Shaq Quarterman) you can come back up again.

What’s wrong with selling insurance?!? ??

@Virgil thanks again for doing this!! These mock drafts have become the best threads on the board each year. Everyone takes it seriously and is thorough. It’s the one time that everyone respects each other and the participants do a great job. Your organization and time really drive it though because it isn’t easy to manage. Thank you again for making these happen!!

Not speaking for Gunner but I think that you grade each player individually. You don’t say “i have to have 32 1st round grades, 32 2nd round grades, etc...” You ask yourself, “is this guy a 1st round talent compared to other 1st round talents?”’ I may be off here but part of the reason is that you are trying to manage your own draft. Say you have pick 24 and have 20 first round grades and 40 2nd round grades. By the time your pick comes all 20 of your 1st round grades are off the board. You get offered pick 46 and pick 60 for pick 24. You already have pick 56. You may decide, based on the actual players left, not just the draft value chart, that 46, 56, & 60 is better for you than 24 & 56. The same can be done in reverse for moving up. This is something that the Bills have done a lot of (Knox, Ford, Edmunds, Dawkins). They try to get a guy before a perceived gap starts to the next tier.

I guess the point I’m trying to make is they are all different. That’s why I used the Miami of Ohio example. Over the last 40 years they produced a HOF QB and a bunch of guys. It’s not the school that determines your future success. It’s your physical and mental skills. Tua has pinpoint accuracy, mobility, a big enough arm, is the son of a coach, and is elite with his play fakes. He has all of the traits of a successful modern QB (with the exception of his injury history). I’m not saying that Tua will be great or terrible (or anywhere in between). All that I’m saying is that playing at Alabama isn’t a factor in determining his success.

The Carolina Panthers have been agonizing over this decision. The 69th pick is something to take seriously. We’ve been debating between OL and DL. We even thought briefly about a QB. Our need in the trenches is too great on both sides of the ball though.At the end of the day we feel like the depth of the DL class at this point is better than the depth at IOL. That helped break the tie. With the 69th pick in the 2020 draft the Carolina Panthers select Robert Hunt, OG, Louisiana-Lafayette . Hunt is a big guy that can start at LG day one. He’s a big guy and a good athlete. He may project long-term as a RT. While Hunt is a bit raw, he makes a lot of sense for a team in our position. He can grow with the young core. We need help on the OL and this versatile, high-ceiling prospect fits nicely into our plans. @NewEra and the Miami Dolphins are now on the clock

Can someone explain what I’m missing with Hodgins? I see a lot of people listing him here. It’s going to be difficult for him to separate at the next level. I just don’t see it but there are people a lot smarter than me that seem to like him. He feels like Duke Williams to me and we already have him.

Peters was another and I’m pretty sure Chris Harris was undrafted. I thought that both of those kickers were drafted? Gostkowski definitely was but not sure on Tucker.

I think Claypool is a bit of a hybrid. Teams asked him to do TE drills at the combine. He’s more of a “weapon” type that will primarily play in the red zone early in his career. He’s really gifted physically. I’m not opposed to the pick if they have him as BPA. The Bills said that they wanted more “TD makers” and so far have just added Diggs (which is HUGE). They really are in position to go a variety of ways.

Next year’s draft has some high end playmakers as well!! Waddle, Chase, Olave, Ross, DeVonta Smith and Rondale Moore (amongst others) should all be in there. They are saying that 2020 may be the most talented WR group ever and that may last all of a year. Those guys next year, in a lot of cases, were ahead of this group. Add in the 2 QBs at the top of the draft and 2021 is looking exciting. There will be lots and lots of “TD makers.”

I was thinking about how crazy that is. My brother’s house is like 4,000 sq. ft and it’s a giant old house in the Elmwood Village. 8,000 square feet is absurd!! I came across the Brady house article earlier this week and the house he’s renting from Jeter is 30,000 square feet!! That’s just ridiculous. Jeter’s House

I voted Edwards-Helaire because I think RB is the last glaring need. I know that the Bills won’t draft for need but you could make a case that RB is the BPA. I debated on Akers and Lewis. At the end of the day, CEH has a high floor and is good insurance for Singletary. I think that’s what’s best for the Bills. In all actuality, I think Duggar or Chinn (who is gone in our mock) will be the pick. The Bills scouted them extensively and love the versatility of the big nickel. I think Greenard is another possibility for the same reasons but may be a little earlier than most are projecting.

Jordan Love went off the board 36 picks ago in this mock. Love will be LONG gone by the time that the Bills pick. He could go as soon as 5 or 6.

Thanks!! That’s all pretty interesting. Good stuff and the perfect time of year for it. Appreciate you digging it up.

No irony. You made a claim. The burden of proof is on you to prove that claim. My feeling is that your claim is BS. It is on you to prove that it isn’t. If I said “not one more person will contract COVID” and you said “that doesn’t feel right” that’s on me to prove what I said. That’s what we are dealing with here. You said something to try to support your point but you just made it up. When asked “where did it come from” you ducked the question. “I made that up” doesn’t go very far in convincing others to follow your perspective.

Yeah, I said your assertion that “they bust out easiest” doesn’t “feel” right. You made a claim. My intuition is that your claim is wrong. I was asking where your support came from? Basically, prove what you are saying!! There’s no hypocrisy here. I didn’t make the claim.

It’s fine to not want WR or RB. It’s not fine to make up false information as your reasoning. You said that they “bust out the easiest.” That just doesn’t feel true. In fact, I’d venture to say that RBs are one of the safest picks because they have a small learning curve. Basically, that’s the exact opposite of what you said. I was just looking for where you got that?

Really? That feels like a statement made to support your overarching point that the Bills shouldn’t go receiver. I’m not sure where the data is to support the bolded?

I think a lot of what Augie said is true. Additionally, the Chiefs just won a Super Bowl playing 4 WRs regularly. This draft is incredibly deep at WR. You may get a guy at 54 that you couldn’t have gotten at 22 in some drafts. You draft to the strength of a draft because better players are available in the positions that the draft is strong at. There are A LOT of reasons that WR will be considered. The Bills are going to draft BPA. They always do. We talk positions way more than the team does. This team doesn’t have a lot of needs (another RB is the only glaring hole for 2020). They’re going to take as many good players as they can regardless of position.

There are a few guys that I like that are a little underrated IMO. I like Bellamy from Western Michigan. He has explosive playmaking ability and will be a good 3rd down back. A year ago at this time I was banging the table for the Bills to take Singletary (humble brag). I wouldn’t be even a little mad if they added Bellamy late to be the change of pace guy. He has a nose for the end zone (remember we need more TD makers). I think KJ Hill will play for a long time in the NFL. He just does a lot well. He isn’t the most physically gifted (except for his hands). He just is really dependable. I could see him being the kind of guy that catches a lot of balls without a ton of yards. In some ways, he’s kind of a poor man’s Jarvis Landry to me. He’s a guy that’s probably going to go in the 4th round that I think will catch 60+ balls a season. That feels like good value to me. Alex Highsmith is my last guy. He’s probably not a super deep sleeper but he’s another mid-round guy that I like. Highsmith makes a lot of plays behind the LOS. He might get knocked a little for playing in a so-so conference but a lot of rushers did. He could be this year’s Maxx Crosby. He’s a guy that a year from now we may all agree was way under-drafted.

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