Kirby Jackson

The thing with Josh (and I suspect Herbert and Love will face it) is that he was a polarizing prospect coming out. Some people LOVED him and some HATED him. It is human nature for people to want to be proven correct. The people that hated him say “see I told you he was inaccurate” whenever he misses an open receiver. The people that love him say, “see I told you he was one of the most talented QBs in the world” when he hurdles a defender in Minnesota. There were such extremes on him coming out that people get loud because they are constantly defending their strong feelings. They want to be right. I don’t suspect Joe Burrow will face that because the opinions on him were pretty consistent. People just won’t discuss him like that. No one is going to write 6,000 words on, “Why I was right about Joe Burrow.” Everyone jumps at the opportunity to be proven right about Josh. Kiper, Adam Schein and Chris Simms think he’s the second coming. PFF and the guy at The Globe thinks that he’s terrible. He was polarizing coming out and people just can’t wait to tell you why they were right.

And I totally appreciate that and do it often on here. With that being said, I don’t put anything like that on here unless I know it to be true. That is true for some others here as well. There are a lot of things that float around through PM that are things that some of us heard but aren’t sure on. If it makes it on the main board that’s because it is true. None of us want to put anything out here that they THINK is true because you subject yourself to criticism if it’s proven false. At the same time there is absolutely no benefit to being right. It’s just easier to say nothing. If there is something that you know to be true though, and it won’t be damaging if it comes out it may end up shared. This community comprises the best Bills fans in the world imo. Personally, I don’t care who chooses to believe what. Skepticism is healthy. Just know that what ends up on here as “info” is only a fraction of what’s been discussed amongst board members that hear things. Unless they are certain that it’s true it doesn’t end up here.

I mean a lot of people hear things. It’s not a very big town. There are a dozen or so people here that have connections and relationships. Is that crazy?

I prefer college football to the NFL but prefer the Bills to everything. For me it look like this: non-bills NFL game < CFB < Bills

FWIW, I trust my sources and intel at OBD over pro football talk. Look, I’m not telling you to believe. I honestly don’t care (at all). That’s totally up to you.

You might be right. I don’t know the timeline on all of these. That was an assumption on my part.

Certainly and they took one shortly thereafter and another later. I’m not saying that it was a good idea, bad idea or whatever. That’s just what @thebandit27 and I both heard independently of each other. Honestly, I was a little hesitant to post that because it was from someone plugged in but different than the people that usually talk. When Bandit said he’d heard the same thing I’m fairly certain that it was true.

Duvernay would have been the Bills 3rd player taken. This would have been after Moss and before Davis. Basically, they likely would have had Duvernay instead of a few of the guys that they took after including both receivers.

I believe too that’s why when a possible trade out got out there Beane said it was for an OL. I don’t know if that was true but know that Duvernay was. It would be pretty awkward if they tried to trade up for Duvernay, couldn’t, and then took Davis with the next pick. It’s a lot cleaner to just say an OL since they didn’t draft one. **The reasoning that Beane said an OL is speculation in my part but it makes sense.

Going into Friday they were planning on Dugger. They were willing to move up for Dugger as I understand it. They didn’t have the ammo to get that high. When he came off the board at 37 they changed course. If he was still there at 45 though (as an example) I think that he would have been the pick.

I don’t know how much you trust my info but I have a text that I sent to my dad and brother at 5:39 on Friday after receiving a text saying Dugger. If I can figure out how to shrink it down I’ll attach it.

They do similar things but who knows where the Bills had Chinn graded? The Bills loved Dugger. That doesn’t mean that they loved Chinn. The Bills probably loved Chase Young. That doesn’t mean that they automatically loved Bradlee Anae. The Bills wanted Dugger. The Bills were prepared to move into the 40’s for Dugger. Dugger was drafted at 37. The Bills pivoted and took Epenesa. That happens to teams all of the time. Every single team, in every single draft has guys that they want, that they think they can get, that are gone by their next pick.

Just because they loved Dugger doesn’t mean that they loved Chinn....that’s an odd argument.

I think that you got it here. The reality is there were multiple times in this draft that the Bills wanted someone else but couldn’t get him. It doesn’t mean that they don’t like the guys that they got but they liked other guys more. That happens to every team in every draft.

I’m talking Auburn/Baylor too. Maybe I should like him but never really thought too highly of him. I hope I’m right.

I hope that you are right. I don’t see anything about Stidham that I like. If the rumors are true that McDaniels was pushing for Cam it likely means he doesn’t believe in Stidham either. That’s admittedly speculation on my part but if he thought Stidham was “next” he’d have been all about it. It would be a chance for him to look like a genius.

The Bills once tried DESPERATELY to trade up for Mark Barron. They couldn’t get a deal done so they “settled” for Stephon Gilmore. Gilmore is the reigning DPOY (albeit for another team) and Barron is a FA that may be out of the league.

That’s what I’m banking on. Honestly, I’m not sure that the Patriots can win the division even with Dalton. With that being said BB isn’t going to let Brady and Gronk go to Tampa and compete while his team is 6-10. He’s going to try to be better. It probably (almost certainly) isn’t the best long-term strategy but it’s the one that I think they will employ. That will be tough to do.

That’s not what I heard. Dugger was their guy. They had talked about trading up for him but he went before they had a chance.

I don’t think that will be the cost. Jameis just signed for $1.1M. Sanu will he gone and they will tweak a bunch of things and kick Dalton money to 2021. They will sign Thuney to lower his cap hit and slide Dalton in. They can make this work.

I didn’t say that they were good. Adding Dalton though makes them a lot better than they are now.

I wouldn’t be so sure that Epenesa was higher. I heard this as of the start of round 2. Dugger was their guy.

I can confirm this one too. Dugger was the guy. They had even talked about trading up for him. This was a weird year for the usually airtight Bills. The virtual draft had more info slipping out than usual. Additionally, they tried to trade up for Duvernay.

Well the Pats just got better