Kirby Jackson

I can’t get on the Daniel Jones train and I know that he played well. He really belongs on the maybe list. It’s probably more of me just not believing that his ceiling is too high. He feels like he could have a Kirk Cousins career (which is very good). I guess it’s a bit hypocritical because Baker is similar in that sense. I’ve just always believed that he had “it.” Personal preference I guess but either guy could easily be on or off the maybe list.

I should watch more football... TBD is the only place in the world where you are the idiot for thinking that a guy that is 40-24, coming off a year with 4,900 yards and a 3:1 TD to INT, is a pretty good QB. Apparently I’M the one that doesn’t know what I’m watching. People point to the one game that they watched Tua play as evidence that he can’t play ?. We don’t know what kind of career he will have but if you are questioning his accuracy or play fakes you haven’t watched him play. Now if you want to say, he will never stay healthy that’s a reasoned opinion. He may not. Tua has had some big injuries.

Really? As of today I think that 90%+ objective football fans would trade for the entire “yes” list. I’d say 50%+ on the maybe list. I like Josh and think that he’s going to be really, really good. Today he is not as good as those other guys on the “yes” list. They are similar in age and experience but with more production. Josh has that “it” quality that I’m not sure all of the others do. At the same time those guys have MVPs, Super Bowls, National Championships, Heismans, etc... That is not an insult there are just a lot of really accomplished young QBs.

The reason that I included the rookies is because we are projecting. I think highly of both of them. If the list is who would you want starting a game tomorrow there are a lot of guys that weren’t named that come before Josh. The hypothetical trade is more about how do you project the QB’s in the league over the next decade? I’d trade him for Trevor Lawrence and he won’t even be in the league for a year. This is all subject to change obviously but that’s where I’m at today. I think Josh has a chance to be a star. The only guys that’s I’d consider trading him for have equal (Or close to equal) upsides and more production.

That won’t happen though. Teams just don’t do that (and yes I know Mahomes). By all accounts Tua is ready now physically. The shortened offseason will slow him but the Dolphins aren’t going to go the whole year without knowing what they have. You can’t do that with rookie contract anymore. Mahomes was a little different situation in that they had Smith throwing for over 4,000 yards and a 4:1 TD to INT. Fitz is a perfect plug but they aren’t ready to win. Tua will start double digit games if he remains healthy.

I say Fitz starts the first 4 games (ish). Tua is a great prospect with big injury concerns. If healthy his accuracy and play fakes are elite. I’m not saying that he will have Brees career but he plays a lot like him.

Factoring in contracts, age, production, etc: Yes (as of 6/1/20): Mahomes Watson Wilson Murray Lamar Maybe (but probably not as of 6/1/20): Burrow Baker Darnold Tua I go back and forth on Russell Wilson. I think that he’s the 2nd best player in football. He will be 32 this year though. I still probably would. You’d still have 6 or so elite years from him.

That’s fair. I still don’t think it’s likely because you are potentially depriving that player of an opportunity. If you use someone like Nick Mullens a few years ago as an example. Maybe even Gardner Minshew last year? Those feel like the type of guys that potentially could have been in that role. By being given an opportunity they basically secured careers. They may never play as well as they did and may never be long-term starters. Both guys though probably secured careers that will be at least 5+ years because of that. Just my thoughts but your comprise certainly gives the PA something to consider.

NFLPA would never go for that.

I think (but am not sure) that the answer is yes. With that being said they are subject to the same waiver rules as other PS players. So Brady could go to the PS but obviously someone would claim him first.

I think that my favorite thing about these type of workouts is peer accountability. You don’t want to be the guy that shows up out of shape.

Out of curiosity what specifically do you think that the coaches could contribute to this that the player’s couldn’t handle on their own? They are running routes and throwing to them. There are 9 routes in the route tree and then 2 or 3 others that can be incorporated. It’s not like it’s complicated. They weren’t out there doing route combinations or playing against defenses or anything. They are running those 9 routes vs. air and the QBs are throwing them the ball. You don’t need coaches for that. You certainly don’t need them with the threat of a CBA violation penalty. Teams have been running these QB passing drills in the offseason for as long as I can remember. This isn’t unique to us or now. It’s everyone doing it. With that being said I could absolutely see the value in having a trainer on hand. If someone tweaks a hamstring or something you’d want to start working on it. You want to make sure that they are taped, etc...

Honestly, the coaches have nothing to do with these workouts. These guys are professionals. They work at their craft. I’ve been working from home for almost the last 3 months. No one has to call me to tell me what to do. I understand the expectation of my job. I understand how to do the job. This is no different.

Just don’t think that the juice is worth the squeeze. The players don’t need to involve the coaches to run passing drills. If they can’t handle that as pros we have a bigger problem. These QBs have been in the system for a few years. They know the plays. Based on all of the videos though it was just passing drills. The receivers run the route tree while the QBs throw the route tree. It’s much more of a light workout than a football practice. This isn’t when they are installing offense. Just throwing and catching. Teams though do these kinds of things every offseason.

It’s going to come down to snap counts not a designation. If a guy plays 85% of his snaps as a slot receiver and you call him a TE he would win a case to be a receiver. I don’t know where the line is but it’s clearly higher than where Graham was.

They aren’t allowed to be so I’d say none. These guys have mostly been in the system and are pros. They know how to work on their own. That’s the expectation these days. It used to be you come to training camp to get in shape to play. Now you come to training camp ready to play. I wouldn’t be so confident in that. If that ever comes out you are violating the CBA. Teams don’t do that. The players have the playbooks and know the expectation. They don’t need a coaching staff to run routes.

Wrong!! I lost all of my money on the Arkansas Derby ?

Yeah and Josh has had those elite Jets and Dolphins teams to deal with...

When you factor in contract and everything else there probably aren’t 5 QBs in the league that I’d trade Josh for. Watson, Mahomes, Lamar, Murray and maybe Russell Wilson (although he’d almost age out).

Oh man, here we go...

I don’t mind being tagged lol. Is the question, “who is the better player today?” The answer is unequivocally Dak. Josh’s story hasn’t been written yet and I’m on record as believing that he will be a star. I wouldn’t make that trade but anyone that thinks, on May 30, 2020 that Josh Allen is a better QB than Dak Prescott is INSANE. Please, please, please people don’t point to the one time that you watched Dak last year either. You need to look at the entire sample size.

Lol, I’m not trying to be “that guy” but it is receiver (singular). The whole video is Gabe Davis. I’m not even sure that the whole video is Josh throwing him the ball.

They do have that. The players receive 48% of the revenue of the league. That number will move to 48.5% when the 17 game season kicks in. 48% on your labor costs isn’t out of line with most other businesses. This holds especially true when the labor are also your assets. That’s what makes the sporting model different. If you manufacture cars you pay the labor to produce a car that you can then sell to make revenue. In sports, you sell the talents of the labor to generate the revenue. 48% of that revenue going back to that labor force is certainly not too much.

I just rewatched the whole thing (I’m bored). It is all Davis

I didn’t see Diggs. I think it’s all Gabe Davis