Kirby Jackson

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They still beat 3 of those top 10 teams on the road last year. Add in that they added Diggs and won 10 games its hard to imagine them going backwards. 10 wins and you’re a top 10 team.

That’s ridiculous. I’m not sure I’d have the Raiders at 28 lol. 13 is too low on the Bills too. They’re the 3rd best team in the AFC.

Ha ha, you’re talking to the wrong guy “obviously.” I know who Brees is and what Brees did. I know who Tua is and what he did. Their strengths are the same. They are incredibly accurate and are great with the ball.

He has a long way to go to be Brees (obviously). Their strengths are the exact same though.

Breaking every Big 10 record? I’m not sure your point? If it’s that I don’t appreciate Brees you’re talking to the wrong guy. Tua’s strengths are the same as Brees.

I live in New Orleans and have seen just about every snap since he’s been here. I’ve seen probably 10-12 Tua starts as well. It the way that they run play action and how accurate they are. This isn’t a based on size. It’s based on what they do well. Tua is a poor man’s Brees at this point.

I DESPISE Alabama. If anything I’m harder on them than I should be. I do agree that he had elite skill players. He may have 4 1st round WRs and a 1st round RB. He has OL too that went early. He’s surrounded by elite players. He is elite too. Tua has MAJOR health issues though. I’m not comparing him to Brees I’m saying that they have the EXACT same strengths coming out. They are accurate and good with the ball.

I’m not a big fan of that scale either. It’s totally antiquated too. The NFL game used to influence the way that the college game was played. Now it’s the other way around. Spread offenses and mobile QBs are all over the league. What it takes to be successful now is totally different than when Parcells was around. I don’t know what that list of criteria would look like at this point? I would want to judge them on their toughest opponents because that’s the closest that we have to the NFL but it’s tricky. Clemson is a great example of this. They always have more talent on the field than the team across the field. The only times that it is equal is when they play Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, etc... It’s tough to judge them when they are steamrolling Georgia Tech. At the same time if you apply this logic to Josh or Jordan Love how are they supposed to succeed against Oregon? Every guy on Oregon locks up their inferior skill players. I think that this works better for non-QBs. Khalil Mack was the best player on the field when Ohio State played Buffalo. That should tell you all you needed to know. Interviews would probably be the top criteria on the list. What makes this guy tick? What do the coaches think? What about his teammates? Josh would be incredible in this category. I’d want to see their ability to improvise. The biggest plays made in today’s NFL are off-script. Look at the last 2 MVPs and Aaron Rodgers whole career. They make plays when plays aren’t there to be made. I would want at least 2 years as a starter. Trubisky is the reason for that. You can’t have TOO small of a sample size. 3 isn’t realistic in the current environment but 20-25 starts is necessary. 60% completion seems reasonable. I’d keep that. I’d probably judge total TDs vs. total turnovers and want that closer to 3:1 (at least 2.5:1). There’s more scoring now so that is me adjusting for inflation. I’d also want some metric to judge how many times they got to their 3rd read. That to me just shows an ability to get through progressions and make good decisions. I don’t know what that number would be because I don’t know the sample size. It’s just something that I’d want to see happen consistently. Obviously, size, arm strength, athletic testing numbers are all crucial.

FWIW I’m with you here to an extent. This holds especially true with a young QB. If I’m the Bills I like having a voice that’s been in QB meetings for a while to help. It’s more about the preparation than the playing for me. Josh is still young enough that a guy like Barkley is important. If I’m the Saints, Tampa or GB though I really don’t care. Give me the best guy behind Brees, Brady and Rodgers. Barkley is as valuable for Allen’s development as he is on the field. We saw that with Darnold last year.

Andy Reid never played in a real game either and he’s a pretty good QB coach. I don’t worry about that if his role is mentor. Webb wouldn’t need to play here. If Allen goes out for an extended period of time Fromm will get the ball and a vet will be signed to back him up (presumably Barkley). This is assuming that Barkley is released which neither of us thinks is likely. I honestly don’t worry that much about experience when it comes to playing. Everyone will play their 1st game at some point. Just because you’ve played doesn’t mean you can be successful. Peterman has played and I would take dozens of guys that haven’t over him tomorrow. In the backup role for me it’s more about the ability to go .500 over a month. That’s all that matters to me. You don’t need to win games you just need to not lose them. Fromm feels like a guy that has done that at a high level. Game manager carries such a negative connotation but it shouldn’t. Fromm is that and in a good way. I felt that way about Tyrod. There’s a reason that he had a winning record here and it isn’t because he went out and won a lot of games. He just didn’t lose them. This Bills team has a lot of talent (and pretty much everywhere). If Josh goes out for a month they’ll need to play good d, run the ball, not turn it over and make a few plays on 3rd down. If they do that they can escape that month without too much damage. It’s what the Saints and Teddy did last year (they actually thrived like that).

They aren’t going to risk TRYING to sneak him to the PS. If he looks horrible it’s a risk that they aren’t willing to take. That holds especially true with an abbreviated offseason. His arm strength won’t improve much. He’s a big, experienced, developed prospect. He is smart though. He won’t be Peterman with a lack of arm strength making mind-numbing decisions. I agree it would be a good use of a 5th round pick. If he had Case Keenum’s career we’d be happy. He would insulate this team. Webb on the PS could be the end of Barkley. They both could be gone. Barkley is an okay backup imo. He’s one of Josh’s closest friends and by all accounts a great teammate. I could see him cut and getting added back if Josh gets hurt too. Barkley could end up in a lot of different spots this offseason. I’d probably keep him though if I had a choice. This team is ready to compete IMO and the last thing that they need is uncertainty in that room. If Josh misses a month they need to go 2-2. Fromm may end up getting the ball but Barkley is capable of being 2-2 with this team.

I couldn’t agree more John. If Flores would have received a few COY votes last year I wouldn’t have blinked. That team had zero talent and played hard. They were prepared and overachieved.

I think Fromm is a lock. Barkley is the one fighting for the roster spot imo. If the Bills think that Fromm is ready for the #2 role (which he might be) Barkley could be gone. I’m on record as Fromm won’t be more than a backup in the NFL. With that being said, one of Fromm’s biggest strengths is his floor. He isn’t some guy that’s going to come into the league and take giant leaps forward. He’s a cerebral, experienced, SEC quarterback. His learning curve is as small as just about any rookie can have. His ceiling just isn’t that high.

I agree here. They are the team in the division, along with the Bills, trending up.

I have Wilson in the yes category. I have him behind only Mahomes at this point (in any position). I think the world of Russell Wilson. My hesitation is ONLY age related. If he were to come here tomorrow we may win Super Bowls now. He would be battling the Chiefs and Ravens though. If we didn’t get one in the next 3 years (for example) you’d be looking at a 35 or 36 year-old QB and may run out of time. With Josh, in theory, you have him for 10-15 more years. That’s my only hesitation.

I can’t get on the Daniel Jones train and I know that he played well. He really belongs on the maybe list. It’s probably more of me just not believing that his ceiling is too high. He feels like he could have a Kirk Cousins career (which is very good). I guess it’s a bit hypocritical because Baker is similar in that sense. I’ve just always believed that he had “it.” Personal preference I guess but either guy could easily be on or off the maybe list.

I should watch more football... TBD is the only place in the world where you are the idiot for thinking that a guy that is 40-24, coming off a year with 4,900 yards and a 3:1 TD to INT, is a pretty good QB. Apparently I’M the one that doesn’t know what I’m watching. People point to the one game that they watched Tua play as evidence that he can’t play ?. We don’t know what kind of career he will have but if you are questioning his accuracy or play fakes you haven’t watched him play. Now if you want to say, he will never stay healthy that’s a reasoned opinion. He may not. Tua has had some big injuries.

Really? As of today I think that 90%+ objective football fans would trade for the entire “yes” list. I’d say 50%+ on the maybe list. I like Josh and think that he’s going to be really, really good. Today he is not as good as those other guys on the “yes” list. They are similar in age and experience but with more production. Josh has that “it” quality that I’m not sure all of the others do. At the same time those guys have MVPs, Super Bowls, National Championships, Heismans, etc... That is not an insult there are just a lot of really accomplished young QBs.

The reason that I included the rookies is because we are projecting. I think highly of both of them. If the list is who would you want starting a game tomorrow there are a lot of guys that weren’t named that come before Josh. The hypothetical trade is more about how do you project the QB’s in the league over the next decade? I’d trade him for Trevor Lawrence and he won’t even be in the league for a year. This is all subject to change obviously but that’s where I’m at today. I think Josh has a chance to be a star. The only guys that’s I’d consider trading him for have equal (Or close to equal) upsides and more production.

That won’t happen though. Teams just don’t do that (and yes I know Mahomes). By all accounts Tua is ready now physically. The shortened offseason will slow him but the Dolphins aren’t going to go the whole year without knowing what they have. You can’t do that with rookie contract anymore. Mahomes was a little different situation in that they had Smith throwing for over 4,000 yards and a 4:1 TD to INT. Fitz is a perfect plug but they aren’t ready to win. Tua will start double digit games if he remains healthy.

I say Fitz starts the first 4 games (ish). Tua is a great prospect with big injury concerns. If healthy his accuracy and play fakes are elite. I’m not saying that he will have Brees career but he plays a lot like him.

Factoring in contracts, age, production, etc: Yes (as of 6/1/20): Mahomes Watson Wilson Murray Lamar Maybe (but probably not as of 6/1/20): Burrow Baker Darnold Tua I go back and forth on Russell Wilson. I think that he’s the 2nd best player in football. He will be 32 this year though. I still probably would. You’d still have 6 or so elite years from him.