Kirby Jackson

90% is always the renewal rate goal in sports. You get an award in the NBA at 90%. The Bills retention, especially recently, has been well north of that. The NFL is generally closer to 100%. That is going to be the case here as well. We “know” at this point that 3 out of 4 have said yes but that is a small, small, small, small percentage of the total universe. It is also, FAR AND AWAY the most expensive options. So far, they are through maybe 5% of the seats. I just got called last Thursday and am a club seat holder with 20-30 years of seniority. It’s probably closer to 2%. The PSLs that are <$5k will be sold at 95% plus. That will be at least 70% of the stadium. This isn’t going to be the issue that some are predicting. Legends knows EXACTLY what they are doing. They’re the best at this. The PSLs selling will not be a problem here. The vocal minority does not represent what is actually happening / what will happen.

I’m in 237. 237

I went to the draft once. I was excited when the Bills went on the clock. They picked Tommy Doyle.

I apparently got my invite last Thursday. I didn’t see it in my email (that email address has so much spam and apparently I can’t change it with the Bills). At any rate, I’m registered for next Tuesday. I’ll report back.

Pay Justin Simmons and let’s roll!!!

I’ll take Indy. That feels random enough

Fair I should have said that no one likes them. Owners like PSLs. Ticketmaster, StubHub, etc.. love ticketing fees. It feels like they continue to go up too. You buy a $70 ticket and pay $30 in ticketing fees.

Sure. This conversation is basically one or the other. It isn’t about net worth (in any way). It’s about PSLs and if we accept or reject them. No one likes them.

So for the purposes of the 25 page conversation are you on team, “even if I had a billion dollars I wouldn’t spend $1 on a PSL” or team, “PSLs suck but that’s the way business is done in 2024?”

If you were worth $500M, you’d care about the price of PSLs? I can’t fathom living in a world where the interest on my money gives off millions of dollars a year and thinking, “do they seriously expect me to pay $5,000, one-time, for the right to buy a season ticket?!?” 😂😂😂

My Mona Lisa:

Maybe you’re right. I remember having this EXACT conversation during the Bon Jovi era. These people were CONVINCED that the team was heading to Toronto without any understanding of the lease agreement basically making that impossible. Sure enough, the Bills future in WNY was secured and the new stadium on the way. Fast forward a decade and people think that the team is leaving because 1% of the tickets in the stadium have higher PSLs than they expected 😂😂. It’s WILD to watch. Lol, I keep coming across as dismissive and an a-hole but I can’t help it. I feel a responsibility here to prevent this growing “Chicken Little sentiment” built on misinformation and lack of understanding. I will try to say this as clearly as possible. THE BILLS WILL BE IN WNY FOR AT LEAST 30 YEARS. THE PSLS WILL SELL TO BILLS FANS AT THE RATE THAT TICKETS CURRENTLY DO. THE NEW STADIUM WILL BE FULL OF BILLS FANS. EVERYONE RELAX!!

Listening to people trying to explain what they think is going to happen is annoying. The doom and gloom is back. The lack of understanding from some, combined with the Bills not providing much info has the chicken littles back out. I’ll go on record that 90%+ of the lower bowl will be Bills fans. The PSLs will ALL be snatched up by the current base/waiting list.

That’s not happening here. Those PSLs will be like $5K or less in Buffalo. There will be no more opposing fans in the new stadium than there are currently. It’s just not the makeup of this place. It’ll be 90%+ Bills fans at all times (as it always has been).

Because that won’t raise the $200m that they’re looking for

Yeah, it’s not. This isn’t some “trick” being played by the Pegulas. This is a process that MANY teams use to offset the private portion of the stadium financing. They pass it along to the consumers. The Bills will be here for a generation (at least). They’ve started with the most expensive locations to discourage people from going back a tier. They don’t have a large buyer pool at the higher levels. They can’t have those people downgrading their spend or they won’t achieve their revenue objectives. They’re rolling it out in phases to maximize revenue and adjust pricing as needed.

I agree with this. I think the reason for holding off on releasing the rest is because they may fluctuate some depending on what’s selling now. As an example, maybe they are debating between 10,000 seats at $1500 vs. $2000? Maybe they are debating 10,000 seats between $5000 and $7500? The overwhelming majority of PSLs will cost the PSL holder less than $100 a month, after financing fees, for the 10 years. Some may be as little as $15 a month.

Said differently,”the money could be spent adding value to my home. I need to resurface the driveway and pool area.” Those same dollars will pay for my 2 PSLs. I’m not taking away from any necessities or strong “wants.” I’m electing to purchase these PSLs and waiting on the driveway. These are the types of decisions that many of us will make. People aren’t deciding between food and PSLs but they may be deciding between a vacation and PSLs. They are going to take up a portion of discretionary income that none of us have ever committed.

No one wants to pay these fees. Pegula could obviously pay that portion without jamming up regular people. It’s simple economics though. It’s supply and demand. It is not a good financial decision for me. That money would be better served elsewhere. I can only speak for me, but I value the games enough to make the sacrifice. It’s the way of the world now.

You aren’t forced to buy the PSL either. If you want to guarantee the same seat for each game, or shortest wait time for rides, you have the option to purchase it. You can always buy tickets on the secondary market and pay whatever they’re priced without buying a PSL. Yep, universities have been doing this for years. Think about all of the public universities doing the same thing.

The value actually favors the Bills by 5 points. I’m not saying that I would or wouldn’t do it but according to the chart, the Bills would “win” that trade.

Just skimming this novel. Explain the $3 per ticket fee currently being charged in Nashville to offset the cost of the new stadium. Outrage or no because they aren’t calling it a PSL and it’s offsetting the government’s portion as opposed to the owner’s? You’re trying WAY too hard to differentiate “fees” from “PSLs.” I know a little on the subject. I have a master’s in sports business and spent almost a decade working in pro sports on the business side. I’ve worked directly on arena lease agreements and funding deals. I understand the topic WAY better than most. You do not need to explain to me the finances of it 😂😂. There are MANY venues that are funded by the tax payers (at least at some level). They ALL charge for tickets. Any EXTRA fees associated with purchasing a ticket is akin to a PSL. That “right to buy a ticket fee” may just go to TM or Stubhub as opposed to the owner offsetting the cost. You’re trying too hard to be angry or knowledgeable. I’m not sure which you’re trying to prove but you really don’t understand it like you think you do. With all of this outrage, I sure hope that you’re someone that is faced with a decision on their PSL spend. If this outrage is coming from someone not even impacted, that’s ridiculous. If you aren’t someone faced with a financial decision because of a PSL, you do not deserve an opinion on the topic. You can’t be outraged at how we choose to spend our money. What’s the max that you’re willing to pay for a PSL? Where are your tickets currently? I’ll give you a rough projection of what to expect.

Yeah, I doubt that they use Cook but could use Samuel. He is basically here as a “weapon.” He’s a poor man’s Deebo or a rich man’s McKenzie. I could see them getting 2-3 touches a game in the return game.

Based on the draft value chart the Raiders could trade 44 & 77 to get to 28. The point value is roughly the same.

Samuel is WAY more capable than Shakir to take on that role IMO. I suspect that the KO rule was a thought as they signed him.