Kirby Jackson

Oh, Hobert may be the least likable Bill ever (except OJ). The fact that he collected a check without doing the work is disgusting. He still performed better than Peterman. He’s certainly less likable but not a worse player. Peterman is the worst player to ever put on a Bills uniform.

Sadly, he’s not. If you put Hobert against Peterman it’s actually not very close. That’s pathetic considering Hobert didn’t even know the plays!! https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PeteNa00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HobeBi00.htm

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He plays the most important position in football AND is the worst player that the Bills have ever had. It’s not a surprise that he is discussed on a message board where we talk about the Bills. There’s a thread open on Fitz. There’s a thread open on Fitz & Tyrod. QBs will always be discussed here.

This is pretty much it. They were both NFL QBs (which we haven’t had a ton of).

There are levels of “bad” too. He played, statistically the worst half of football that a guy has ever played. It’s not like he struggled some. Every guy that has ever played QB in the NFL was better. He was/is an abomination as a football player. Playing him once was a mistake. Playing him more than once is where the decision makers have to take the blame. There are a lot of nice guys that try hard. That doesn’t mean that they should be starting games in the NFL.

Or 30 for 30, “What if I told you a Harvard grad started NFL games wearing a wedding ring?”

It also only works if you thought it was reasonable BEFORE the Chargers game. Some of us believed, that it was absolutely insane to go to Peterman before that game. The Bills were in a playoff battle and turned the keys over to a guy with little to no ability. It wasn’t like they were taking a look at the franchise future. It was crazy before, during and after. Maybe not because of where he was drafted. At the same time, he’s the worst player to ever put on a Bills uniform.

The fact that he is collecting a check to play football is insane.

This is 100% right and something we haven’t had to experience. When your window is open you push your chips in and kick the can down the road. The Saints have done it for a decade.

You do it to avoid guys getting to the wire. As an example if you are going to cut Duke and the Eagles are going to cut Sidney Jones why not try to swap?

They certainly aren’t operating at maximum potential. The NFL can afford mismanagement but you are starting to see the impact on their other businesses. I know people hate to hear it but Russ Brandon covered a lot of that for years. He was very strong at what he did and his team was too. Those guys have trickled our over the last couple of years too. It’s like any business in that you are only as strong as your leadership. The leadership on the business side has been messy. There’s no doubt about that.

I don’t know the exact structure there and it seems to be evolving. Typically the marketing team oversees game presentation, broadcast, graphic design, promotions and branding. There are other ends of it too but it is generally on the expense side of the ledger. Sales fall elsewhere. Depending on the organization it may be developed internally and executed externally. As an example you ticket packaging would fall to this. The general look and branding will be developed by marketing and the design by your graphic design team (if you have one). The data that populates will come from the ticket operations department. By the time all of that is built out it will be outsourced to a company that will produce the material. It’s really like any business in that sense. A lot of development is done in house and then the production is outsourced. The one area where it is unique is that almost all outsourced work in sports comes with elements of trade and not just cash. Companies are compensated in advertising, tickets, experiences as well as cash. It’s one of the reasons that teams make so much money. They leverage/force soft assets on businesses instead of just writing a check.

Oh, no doubt them buying the Bills was a good thing. That doesn’t mean that they are good at running the business. Those 2 things aren’t related.

I guess that I have it as a 2 game swing based on 1 game that Cam will steal plus 1 game where Hoyer/Stidham would be horrible and hand away. The Pats shouldn’t be too good either way but they are absolutely better with Cam (if healthy) than those 2 stooges behind him. They were never the plan though. It could have been Dalton. It could have been Cam. It could have been Mariota. It could have been Herbert. It was never going to be Stidham/Hoyer. That was wishful thinking on our part. I so desperately wanted them to go that route.

Thanks man!! It’s been some rain for us but fortunately we missed the worst of it. It ended up about 2-3 hours west. It’s always scary and I feel for those that took the brunt of it.

It really is. I don’t expect Cam to be great but I expect him to be competent. The gap from Stidham/Hoyer to competent is a chasm. The Patriots went from the worst QB room in the league to competent. That’s the difference between being a 6 win team and an 8 or 9 win team (the opt outs play a role too).

Nope, but you don’t need to be jersey guy either. That’s kind of the point. Instead of spending $20 on a nameplate swap that doesn’t work use that $20 on a Bills shirt or hat. Go to 26 shirts and get something fun there that supports a good cause as well. That’s just an infinitely better look than a different font on the back of an old jersey. If you want to be jersey guy you can always get one like Kelly that will always work. You can also get someone that will be here for a little while like Edmunds or Diggs. That way you don’t have to invest every year but there is never a situation where the nameplate looks good. Everyone notices the fake jerseys. You’re better off with the duct tape. That pic made me laugh too. I had to catch up to the guy to get it. Glad I did!!

Not really surprised. When they used that pick on Bass it was his job to lose and he hasn’t lost it.

Also, we need to understand the marketing departments role at the Bills. Marketing and sales are not the same. The sales fall under ticket sales and service or business development. Those departments probably have about 40 or so full time employees between them.

The people responsible for developing tag lines and graphic design don’t impact wins and losses....

The Pegulas just aren’t very good at the business side of sports. They never have been.

I do have one exception and it’s a guy that I encountered last year in Cleveland at the game.

I actually prefer the duct tape to the switch. That says, “I’m being ironic.” The nameplate switch says, “I’m trying to deceive you into thinking this is a Diggs Jersey. It really is a Watkins Jersey and a $17.95 investment in changing the name.”

Guys, you don’t play an awful football player ahead of a former MVP. If Cam is healthy, I am as likely to start at QB for the Pats as Hoyer. It’s the same with Stidham. This was never a QB competition. They waited until Cam’s price dropped and they got their QB.