Kirby Jackson

I like both additions so far. The Bills are better today. I still think that they need more top end talent but they added upside.

Mack played hard. Mack was an interesting character. Mack was great in the locker room. Mack overperformed for his talent. Mack is a WR 5 or 6. All of that is true. We loved him for who he was here and how much effort he gave. He’s a bottom of the roster player. The Bills WR room is better today than yesterday. I wish Mack well but Palmer adds a dynamic that they didn’t have. Keon will have to develop into the role that Mack played (and then some). He’s going to have to be physical and a gamer. The Bills will miss the person but not the player.

They just signed him I think. Walker obviously fits their timeline but are they paying them both??

I’m in the trade market if I’m the Bills. They have $ to spend and nowhere to spend it. The window is wide open. I’d be looking to average to bad teams, with new leadership. Give them picks in exchange for veterans that don’t fit their timelines. What would it take to get Travon Walker from the Jags for example?

Probably posted but this is good: https://x.com/scottbarrettdfb/status/1899179015157760132?s=46&t=aIi6rXjE4r9_s--847m7fQ

Feels like a decent signing. That’s a big number for him but he can hopefully help stretch the field. He has averaged over 15 YPC each of the last 2 years.

It sounds like they are about $20Mish under now. They haven’t pulled the trigger on Dawkins/Brown/Oliver (and won’t unless they need to). They need around $2.5M for the draft class and another few million for in season moved

Yep. I’m simply suggesting that both of those other guys busted out once they got away from the Saints (although Hendrickson was okay there). Perhaps a change of scenery for Turner makes him, at least, a quality rotational player?

That is the same group that drafted that bust Zach Baun in the first. They also drafted Hendrickson.

I could be on board with Holland and Allen. I wanted DJ Jones but think he’s going, or already went, back to Denver. I think Holland is a realistic target. I also think that they are in on the veteran edge guys. They’ll land one or even two with Von being one of them. I would also be hammering the phone with the Bengals. I’m starting by offering 2 1’s and a 2 for Chase. Make them say no. I’d pivot to Higgins or Hendrickson but not at that price obviously.

I’m actually of the belief now, that the Bills trade a 2nd for an elite player that we didn’t know was available. Dexter Lawrence is at the top of my list I think.

No they can’t. They aren’t and weren’t going to be able to allocate 35%-40% of the cap to the DL. That’s certainly true with Josh Allen. They can afford 1 more guy, maybe, in the Rousseau/Oliver range. They aren’t in the Garrett and Hendrickson range.

Yes, I wanted him traded as part of the Garrett package. That way you could trade less picks and avoid paying him. I’m sure they tried but Garrett wasn’t leaving.

It’s not so much a “bargain” as the “reason” that they did it. Once they knew Garrett and Hendrickson were dead, they shifted to Rousseau and cheaper options.

I’m literally sitting on a beach in Antigua. That’s too much to read. With that being said, the gap from Garrett to Hendrickson is decent. The gap from Hendrickson to the field is decent. The gap from Garrett to those other 4 is wide. They are not all interchangeable. Now that Garrett is off the table, they should try to get one of the vets on a short term deal (Mack or Bosa). That’s possible. The top of the market AND Rousseau was never realistic.

@Magox now the Rousseau deal makes more sense. I’m sure that they swung on Garrett, and presumably Hendrickson, then pivoted to Rousseau. They’ll still add to the DL but when the top of the market wasn’t available, they moved down the list. I still don’t love the Rousseau contract but if Garrett wasn’t an option, it is a little better.

You can’t do all of that now. Sweat OR Allen might be an option. I’d say Allen liklier than Sweat. Again, look at the math and cap allocation above. You aren’t going to see the Bills commit 35-40% of the cap (in terms of AAV) to the DL. They already have big commitments at LB, OL, QB and soon Benford and maybe McGovern. It just isn’t realistic.

My guess is that if they could have gotten Garrett or Hendrickson, they wouldn’t have signed this deal. They’ve made those calls I’m sure. Again, the vets or even Allen at DT are possible still. The top of the market though is off the table. That’s why the Bills locked up Rousseau. I think using these percentages as a rough guide to % of cap allocated to each position is fair. Clay has 10% to edge. That would be roughly $27M AAV based on the current cap. Yes I understand that it goes up. I also understand that you’ll be higher or lower in certain areas. I understand that QB importance is 27% and that will never be the number. I’m just not sure that you will see the Bills go to 21% or whatever AAV on edge. That’s what you’ll be looking at with Garrett or Hendrickson. They are likely off the table.

He’s currently 8th in AAV. I understand that will change over the next few years, but I don’t know if he is a top 20 edge. If you think that they are going to pay a top 3 edge AAV (Garrett or Hendrickson) and top 8 (Rousseau) we disagree. That doesn’t feel likely. It’ll play out though. We will see if that’s the case. The other guys, specifically Bosa or Mack feel more realistic. They may take shorter term deals. This Rousseau extension was a mistake because it gave the Bills another solid player instead of selling out for a great one. As @FireChans wisely said, I’d rather trade a 1, 2, and Rousseau (more if needed) for Garrett and pay him $34M AAV than Rousseau at $20M AAV. The Bills have enough good players and not nearly enough great players.

Garrett and Hendrickson are probably off the list with this extension (Sweat maybe as well). You can’t pay $48M AAV to 2 edge players.

Some people irrationally overrate Bills players and underrate other players around the league. Rousseau is okay. He’s a starter in this league and does everything pretty well. You love those guys on rookie deals or cheap vet deals. You don’t pay those guys like they are elite. Teams learned that when they kept resetting the QB market with game managers.

It was worth the gamble when they signed him. He was playing well before the injury. He played well last year also. He’s just more of a situational pass rusher now. I’d be open to him in that role at the right price.

I’m sorry, to clarify, I’m not just referring to the players list. There are some others but, by most metrics, the Bills had 2 (3 if you count Cooper). Spencer Brown is cuspy and Benford is probably too. Maybe said differently, you need a bunch of guys in the top 10 at their position and a handful that are top 5. The top 10 guys are “top 3rd ish” at their position (of starters). Top 5 would be top 15%. Right now the Bills have a few guys between 5-10 (McGovern, maybe Bernard, Shakir in the slot, maybe Oliver, Brown, Benford, Cook) and only 2 top 5 (Josh and Dion). Now they have the most important position covered but they need less “quality role players” like Rapp or Edwards and more top 5 guys. This isn’t an overreaction to Philly’s elite roster either. I’ve always believed this. They need a couple of dudes alongside Josh.

I guess that I’m a “hater” because I don’t think that you should pay role players top 10 AAV. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Lol, there are lots of steps between “everything the Bills do is right” and “everything the Bills do is wrong.” This isn’t a great deal IMO and potentially prevents them for going all in for Garrett. Garrett is a 1,000,000X better player than Rousseau.

So elite rosters with game managing QBs? That’s not this Bills team. It is Josh and a bunch of guys. That may work for the Eagles but not the Bills. They need to worry about a 4-6 game stretch.