Kirby Jackson

Yes

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Strangely, we are pretty much in agreement. He belongs in the HOF. He was a crucial part of that dynasty. I was simply suggesting that he was an important piece but not the reason for their greatness. In hindsight, his status has been elevated. He was very good.

Not just comparing stats because eras are different. He wasn’t nearly as efficient either. Marino, Montana/Young and Elway were ahead of him. Favre was later in his career as well. He could have been next. He was in the tier with the next group with Moon and Aikman.

The lease wouldn’t have allowed it. They would have been forced to be a lame duck franchise in OP for like a decade. I don’t remember the specifics but Toronto was never an actual option. Ralph had tied them in with no potential outs. The lease was his last gift to WNY.

Cunningham was PFWA MVP in 1990 & NFC OPOY too. He was an all-pro in 1988 as well. He wasn’t consistently great but he wasn’t 1 great year like Mark Rypien. Moon and Kelly are at least in the same tier. Marino is not. Hurts isn’t in the tier with Burrow, Mahomes, Allen and Lamar. Those Miami teams were good. Those Bills teams were historic. The Bills roster was a lot better. Miami had the better QB.

That’s the beauty of an opinion. We are all entitled to them. Moon was as good as Kelly. Cunningham was not (at least consistently). Cunningham at his best was better than Kelly at his best (see 1998).

Can you imagine what Beane’s roster would look like if they called Josh Rosen instead of Josh Allen?

Another spicy take, if the Bills fired McDermott after 13 seconds they would have a title by now.

Hurts is somewhere between 5-8 probably. Kelly was after Marino, Elway, Montana/Young, Favre later, Moon, at times Cunningham, at times maybe even Aikman could have been ahead of him. Would those Bills teams not have won at least 1 with those guys? Hurts actually did win. We can say, “a lot of people would win with the Eagles.” We could have also said, “a lot of people could have won with those 90’s Bills teams.” The difference is Kelly couldn’t get the best roster in football a title. They were the Eagles of their day (especially the 1st year). Kelly was a very good player but not elite. I guess it’s spicy to think Hurts is a fair comparison but I believe it.

Staying in school would be possible but I think if the Saints pick 1, he comes out. The roots are so deep in that organization and city with that family. Arch lives less than 15 minutes from the practice facility and dome. The Prince who was promised

That’s fair and I should have specified QB. I think that he’s a top 30 - 40 QB all-time. I also feel like Bills fans have him in the top 10-15. He had a great career and an accomplished career. Kelly just felt like more of a “piece” to why they were great instead of the reason. I use the Jalen Hurts example and that’s not meant to be an insult. He’s been to 2 Super Bowls already and won 1. He’s been an MVP candidate but is never considered to be the best in the game. It is more a function of being the QB on the best team. That was Kelly when he played. He was somewhere between the 4th-8th best QB in any given year (or something like that). He belongs in the HOF. Hurts may end up there too.

This was kind of how I felt but voted opposite. I think either scenario is a win.

This seems to be the dilemma at the moment. Do they just punt on 2025 and try to get the hometown hero? Do they like Sanders or Dart enough to take them at 9 and start them right away?

He’s about as popular in New Orleans as people who say, “Nawlins” or “New Or-Lee-ns.”

I could have. You could have. Those teams were so stacked.

Love this (and I like Marv). I could have coached that team to the same results. He was a great leader and a mess on game day.

That’s what makes it spicy. Kelly isn’t in the league with Josh. edit: I can also tell how old someone is or how long they’ve followed the Bills by their Kelly takes. He was a borderline, top 5 player on those teams. He was Jalen Hurts. If you think he was better than that it is because your dad told you that. I never saw OJ play but my dad insists, with the possible exceptions of Bruce and Josh, he’s the best Bills player ever. Tom Sestak carries that status too for a lot of older folks. Kelly was better as a memory than as a player. He was closer to Fitz than to Josh.

I think this is a fun offseason topic. What is your spiciest BIlls take? What is it that you believe that will trigger Bills fans? I think Jim Kelly is one of the most overrated players in history. He was a very good QB. Historically, he was Jalen Hurts. Kirk Cousins numbers dwarf Kelly’s. He was the steward of an elite offense and did well with it. I am fine with him in the HOF but there are 30-40 QBs better. What is your spicy take?

I felt like it made sense (even though I don’t love Sanders). It gets the Giants out of paying Thibodeaux and gets the QB. It’s a mini-reset. The Bears will get Thibodeaux, a starter at 34, probably a starter at 65 and maybe a starter in the 3rd next year. Felt reasonable

With the 10th pick, the NY Giants select Shadeur Sanders, QB, Colorado. We paid a pretty hefty price but if Sanders becomes the franchise QB, it’s well worth it. We risked some of our draft capital to build out the roster in exchange for a shot at the QB. We have Carter to replace, and hopefully upgrade Thibodeaux. He’s on a rookie deal. Sanders comes in and hopefully wins the job. @MrEpsYtown is on the clock

Perfect!!