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Metz, I wasn't really aiming that at you... Yes, I agree, 100%, Bennett was a better player, overall than Hansen, in relation to the teams overall success...I know you realize this, but my point was, the Buffalo Bills, as an organization, obviously are using some criteria that isn't simply stats, and Pro Bowl appearences. I think there is a "Buffalo Bills community" element of the process, that is being ignored...if you or I were making the decision, we would probably be making different choices. The Wall of Fame inclusion is, obviously, Ralph Wilson's way of recognizing some of his favorite employees over the years...there may be a panel that votes, but I am sure Ralph has the power of veto...if not, Lou Saban and Cookie Gilchrist would be on the wall. It is not mandatory that every team has some sort of wall of fame, or ring of honor, they do it as a way of giving a nod to the people they like best. Arguing a players merits for the NFL Hall of Fame are a bit more legit. I don't understand all the quibbling...hell, if it was up to me, Steve Freeman would go up there...why not take Bob Kalsu off the wall? What did he do on the field? Nothing! Off the field? Ah...see? I know you didn't run down Hansen, but there are people here comparing his contributions to (obviously) lesser, players. It is just silly. As they say, it is what it is...an honor the franchise gives out to guys that they want in that club. I understand, and agree, with the Simpson thing. However, Simpsons transgressions, as horrific as they may have been, happened well after his days as a Buffalo Bill. And, I probably don't need to remind you, he wasn't found guilty in the case in question...with the Bennett thing, Marv Levy, if I recall correctly, had to go to court to testify on Bennetts' behalf, as to his character. To an older guy like Wilson, especially, that may be a litte unseemly.

One thing that always pisses me off about TSW, people here have this need to run down great players, like Hansen, to try to prove their point...

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Okay...I thought that is what you meant...but that is not at all how I remember things...quite the opposite in fact.

And I am sure that is what Obama will do...he will have a "Mission Accomplished" sign hanging behind him?

Gotta admit (so you don't need to pronounce me an "idiot"...I got that!) I am not sure what you mean here.

This thread is rediculous...

To be on winner?

A game of inches...

Um, you can disagree with how the decision is made, but you (or I) don't make the decision...I am not arguing that Phil Hansen is the greatest Bill ever, or that he belongs in the Hall Of Fame, but the criteria you set, is not the criteria for the Buffalo Bills Wall of Fame!

That is exactly what the Buffalo Bills Wall of Fame is not! That is what the NFL Hall of fame is! Comparing Hansen to Ryan Denny & Carwell Gardner is taking the dis-respect for Hansen a little too far..

Yeah, but I think the Wall isn't necessarily only for playing ability...it is, in no small part, reserved for guys who were good players, but also represented the franchise well. I am in no way making the argument that Hansen was a better player than Bennett (Biscquit is one of my all-time favorites), just that the Bills (Wilson?) may not feel that he meets the same criteria that Hansen meets. Also, I think you are kind or downplaying how good Hansen was. He got better and better as his career went on, as I recall. I suspect Ruben Brown may make the WOF at some point too...and Moorman. Ruben had his one run in with a O-line coach in his final season, but was a great (very underrated by Bills fan) player, and a good representitive for the franchise. I would also argue that maybe your guy, Metzelaars could go up on the Wall...but they will eventually run out of wall space!

Turns out, being president doesn't afford you the luxury of focusing on one thing all of the time...

I think it is kind of crazy too...Hansen's best years came much later in his career, IMO, when the Super Bowl glory had already faded. Bennett, IMO, is really underrated. He did have some unsavory off the field issues, as I recall...that may be part of it. I think the WOF honors players who were big in the community, as well as on the field. People in Buffalo don't seem as warm and fuzzy about Bennett, and he doesn't seem as warm and fuzzy about Buffalo. I know Hansen still does charity work in Buffalo, and is active as a Bills alumni. FWIW...

Looking good for you right now Crayonz...

Great mimes blink at lights

Using Simons' example, you aren't likely to figure it out!

That has to be it..

Torczon? Tracey?

Mike Stratton?

Oh, of course, John McCargo! Tom Sestak?

Yeah, I couldn't remember one, but, the last 10 years kind of a blur... I am fairly sure that Bruce Smith never recorded a regular season safety...I think his only one was the one on Hoestetler in SBXXV. Could it be Cornelius Bennett? I will bet it is a defensive back..Nate Odoms?

Assuming there is a season, Hansen goes on the Wall of Fame this year!

Schobel?

Kelsay?