17 Josh Allen

yes Fan Duel has been operating less then 2 Miles from the Attorney generals office in NYC since 2009. So now he has a change a heart give me a break.

you might be right

I agree with everything you said in this post, good job.

You just plain don't get it. Playing season long fantasy sports is more like gambling then playing daily fantasy sports that takes more skill. Your stuck with your team in season long, its harder to make adjustments and win, so who ever you draft your sort of stuck with them unless you trade or release them. If you get season ending injuries to your players it can kill your chances of winning anything. Trust me this is coming from a guy that played in season long fantasy football leagues with my fellow workers for 22 years and I won 8 championships. Some years I had many season ending injuries to my players and I was basically screwed and my team did not make the playoffs. In daily Fantasy Football you don't have to worry about season ending Injuries because you just don't select those players when you construct your line-ups. Also in season long fantasy football you can't have the same players as your opponent when you play but in daily it's possible to have some of the same players. Everyone starts with a blank slate. Some people compare it to poker but it's not really a good comparison. In poker your dealt random cards from a deck of cards so right from the start your starting with unknown or random event you may be delt good cards you might not be delt good cards. Then you adjust and bet as you discard cards or wait for cards on the flop. Poker requires strategy and how you play as new cards are delt or flopped and what your opponent has showing plus there is bluffing. You can win in poker even with bad hands if your good at bluffing. At the start of daily fantasy football you have zero players you have access to every player in the league based on a salary cap of $60,000. All contestants start from the same spot with zero players and they get to pick there team. Remember in poker your dealt random cards from deck of cards. So if I was to go to Fan duel and they gave me a quick pick of players like the NYS lottery this would be considered gambling. But this is where the skill comes in of line up construction. You must look at the players current injury status on how well he has been playing lately. Injuries to the people he plays with Offensive line, QB ect, ect. So if you look at the San Diego Chargers Phillip Rivers he was a good guy to play earlier in the year he was scoring mega points in daily fantasy. not so much anymore, all his receivers and offense linemen are injured. If you had him as your #1 QB in season long your screwed. You also look at who will be guarding them. What is the scheme to try and stop them. So yesterday you had Carolinas Panthers top corner pretty much shut down Dallas Cowboys Dez Bryant, Dez was coming of a injury and has been playing with a bulky foot meaning he's running slower. Panthers have a awesome pass rush so you need to target a Dallas wide out that runs quick short routs. So Cole Beasley who in fact scored Dallas only touchdown was the correct wide out to select in daily fantasy if you were going to select a wide out from the Cowboys team. In fact Beasley was wide open for a 2nd TD at the end the game by 10 yards but Matt Cassell missed him. So as you can see it's more strategy based and requires a lot of work and thinking to make good lineups. Can you image playing a head to head against me, that has put in 10 hours of study against a quick pick lineup that you might get from fan duel if they had that like the NYS lottery or even like some of you guys that just play season long and are stuck with deciding who to start on your roster 21 players that you drafted. In daily your roster is every player in the NFL so it takes a lot more work to compete and do well. The skill of daily fantasy football is in the construction of your line-up decisions, this part is real and it takes hours of work if you want to do well. Think about how much time you spend thinking about the 21 guys on your roster if you play season long fantasy football your thinking about all week leading up to your game who your going to start and what are the match ups and the weather and injury reports and so on. Then think about if your roster was every player in the NFL. In daily fantasy football contest every player in the NFL is or could be on your roster. Don't you think there might be a lot more work there to try and figure out some great line ups. The more research you do and the more time you spend usually means you will make better lineups and do well. That's why you see the best players who do this part well ( Time spent building Lineups ) winning the most money. If your playing in a 50/50 contest and there is 2000 people then half will win. So as you can see it's not as easy as you think when the whole NFL is your roster. Unlike season long where you have 18 to 21 players. Now back to the money part. You can play for money In both Season long and Daily fantasy sports, you can also play in free leagues in both season long and daily. So when I first started playing daily fantasy sports on draft kings and fan duel I only played in the free games to get the hang of it. So I played in a lot of free league contests or head to head's or 50/50's contest for the 1st month. Then I would compare my scores to see how I would have done in the big paid tournaments. Did you know you can make your own private contests on these sites that only your work buddies can play in and no one else. You all can play for free or if you want every one puts in a buck. Yes these sites let you create your own contests. Anyways when the contests are over monies are paid out in season long and they are also paid out daily contest. So there is no difference except the length of time. Bottom line is money is collected, then there is a winner or winners, then monies are paid out. If you play on some sites like CBS sports line they charge you $125.00 to run your league so you can see real time scores of your season long league games and also run your waivers and league standings. On draft kings I pay $1.00 to play a 50/50 or head to head or a league contest against another opponent, Draft kings takes 10 cents to run the contest so I would win $1.90. So both season long and daily take money to administer your contests. If daily fantasy gets banned in NYS then seasonal will also get banned after this trial takes place. Did you know Draft Kings and Fan Duel are suing NYS and the Attorney General so this will end up in court down the road. If your doing your season long league for free on yahoo, guess what, there getting millions in advertising so there still taking money for running the leagues. So don't kid yourself. You know nothing about what your talking about. Keep thinking you do and your work league will get shut down by this law suit. No you will still be able to play in your work league but will be back in 1985 you will have to buy a computer program and compile the satistics and send them out by email to your league. You won't be able to play on Yahoo or CBS Sportsline. You can thank The NYS Attorney General for that. Your best bet would be to get on board and support the cause. The NYS Attorney General is not thinking clearly here. There is a bill already pending in the NYS legislature that will be completed in late Jan 2016 making this all legal in NYS. Many states have just passed bills ( Florida) or are getting ready to pass bills (Mass) to regulate it and make money for there tax payers. But this guy not only bans NY state residents from playing but then he says there running a illegal gambling operation. But then the Attorney General says that Fan Duel and Draft kings can stay open for business ( but NYS residents can't play) and then he says they can except bets to enter contests from people from all other states outside of NYS on Fan Duels computers servers which are located in NYC. Does this make any sense. If you were running a illegal gambling operation inside NYS and the Attorney General found out out about it. Do you think he would say ok we're shutting you down but oh by the way you can stay in business and except bets from people outside NYS. So this means people from New Jersey and Ohio and Michigan can play and enter contests but NYS residents can't. Do you really believe that this guy might be in the casino and Indian casino gambling interests back pocket, it's been proven he has taken lots of campaign contributions from them. He is all about making a name for him self so he can run for higher office. He all about stopping this train called daily fantasy sports from getting even bigger and trying to protect his political donors interests, because it's hurting the bottom line of the casino industry and indian gambling interests. The whole thing stinks to high heaven in my opinion. Well I can tell you this,the lawers that fan duel and draft kings hired are the best in the business. If Daily Fantasy sports gets shut down in NYS, season long fantasy sports is going down with it. it does not matter if the judge issues a injunction so they can still stay in business until the trial starts. This is still going to trial some time in the future. This little hearing they just had was to see if they could get a injunction to allow them to stay open in NYS until the trial starts next year. This may be all a mute point if the bill passes in January and it becomes law and it gets regulated. So your best bet is to get your head out of the sand and stop pretending like you know something because you really don't

NY Attorney General gets his clock cleaned in court by Fan Duel and DraftKing lawers in court today. Judge will rule for temporary injunction in the next week. Looks like this will go in favor of the fantasy sports industry. you can read the live blog blow by blow from today's hearing right here. https://rotogrinders.com/threads/live-from-the-dfs-trial-997326

Will see what the judge says on Friday

the only scam is your not knowing what your talking about the guys were cleared. Plus fan duel employees never played on Fan Duel they played on other sites. Thats like have Stock brokers who give advise to clients and work all day not letting them buy there own stocks. Just because you put in some line ups does not mean you are going to win. Those real life players you picked have to do well in there games.

Your wrong it's not the same, It's does not matter who wins the games in real life or who covers the points spread or beats the over and under so how is it the same. Your not betting against the house or casino you play against other contestants. By using statistics. Please get your facts straight. I would not want to think that you are child or 5 year old. It's really not the same at all.

I won big this week 5K

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Ryan good job buddy taking joy out of some ones sarrow and passion. please if I'm dying in a ditch leave me there and let me be I would never take your extended hand

You mean like the stock market and day trading and lots of money changing hands with insider trading. Yes I agree it should be regulated and taxed. So let's be the only state to not profit from this. Great idea I want this guy to be are next GOV I can't wait to get fu#k out of this state. It's no wonder we are losing jobs and industry. It's this kind of backward ass thinking that has us where we are today. This has been running daily fantasy sports in his state NY for six years since 2009 and not one peep from him. So he wasn't doing his job the last six years. this was happening 1 mile from his office in NYC. Now he gets a hard on. Do you think it might have anything to do with the campaign contributions he took from special interest the casino lobby and Indian gambling might have something to do with it. Boy I think I'll go down to my local OTB and bet the ponies on my way back I will stop at the Indian casino and play some slots. Then to top it off I will buy $100 in scratch offs. But god forbid I play 3 dollars on Fan duel in NYS. all the while the guy New Jersey can log on and play his 3 dollars on fan duels computer servers at located in NYC. but if your from NY you better not it will corrupt you it gambling. is this really fair or real WTF

Hey Ryan why don't you go troll on a poker fourm and do us all a favor. you just want to be a debbie downer. must suck to be you.

go read my link to the law suit draft kings is suing the NYS AG. I played season long for 20 years it's the same as far as monies are collected to play a contes both do this. Monies are payed out when the contest is over. Both do this, when I play on draft kings I'm not playing against the company I'm playing another person like I do in my work league. Your confusing it because daily fantasy sports moves quicker. In season long we paid CBS sports line $125.00 so we could run are league. In draft kings I pay play $10.00 head to head with you if I win I win $19.00 from you. not draft kings. So draft kings gets a dollar for admin the contest just like CBS sportsline gets $125.00 per work league to run there league and get real time stats and up date and change line ups. Trust me it's the same one just is a shorter time period. The NYS AG argument will never hold up in court. Read this so you understand http://dailyfantasytalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/DK-TRO.pdf the other thing you said is you got to get lucky because it's season long and your stuck with the players you drafted and if you not good at trading and cutting players and free agent pick ups you won't do well. you just proved my point in your statement daily fantasy football is more of a skill based game it takes a lot more work and study to make good lineups and compete to win contests. That's why the 2006 Fed law exempted fantasy sports as skill based because they new it was not as simple as betting lets say bills vs Giants or over or under the total with. In Fantasy sports you have players from every team,lots of study and skill is needed to do well and it does not matter who wins the NFL game in real life.

if this goes to court I bet Fan Duel and Draft Kings will win. The NYS AG arguement that season long fantasy football and daily fantasy football are different is wrong. Both take money from contestants to play. Both pay out monies to the winners. CBS sportsline cost $125.00 to have them administer and run the contest for my work league. Fan duel takes $1.00 to run my $10.00head to head contest. One contest just happens to to end quicker. over 50 million people play fantasy sports many in season long leagues with money exchanging hands. In a court of Law this whole thing will be proven to be one and the same. Do you really think they will shut it down when the states can regulate it and take there cut. That's why the NYS AG move in lew of a Fantasy Sports Bill that is all ready mostly done and will be finished when the NYS legislature comes back into session in so weird. He's on the wrong side of this. Other states are already passing bills or about to pass bills that will regulate this industry. it will help the tax payers of there states. Meanwhile The NYS AG is trying to make political points because he thinks he is going to run for NYS Gov It's really quite amazing how he got where he's at. Read this Law suit by Draft kings against NY state and the AG. Is all this really worth all this when NYS bill will pass in the late winter or early spring and it's legal in 44 other states backed by s federal bill that was passed through congress that President George Bush signed into in 2006. READ LINK BELOW IF YOU GOT THE GUTS http://dailyfantasytalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/DK-TRO.pdf

Hey guys I would concede this if you put money up against 2 ants moving on a side walk to see which ant who would get to the other side first and we bet 1 dollar on it, that would be gambling. I agree were are playing for money when we play fantasy sports. But just like the stock market that is skilled based we must look at histories and yearly reports and new product lines and make a good decision to weather we want to buy the stock because we think it will pay off. The same goes for Fantasy Sports we look at trends, match ups, injuries, who is guarding them, what is the defensive ranking of the slot corner vs the slot receiver your picking, hot streaks if there playing in back to back games like in the NBA or NHL. Making good line-ups that can win takes work and hours of it. Sure anyone can guess but if you want to win and make money it takes lots of research and work. If i decide to invest in a player then Im picking him just just like I am picking a stock. It's really speculation at its best. Not everyone is good at investing in stocks and not everyone is good in Daily Fantasy Sports. No one is forcing anyone to play. We live in America it's a free society we all have to make choices on how we spend are money. When you do buy stocks they charge a fee. When you play daily fantasy sports they charge a fee so your contest can be run properly. In stocks the fee is so the trade or transaction can be made. Why not follow the federal law that says it's legal and then regulate and tax it just like we do with horse racing and the casinos and such. Other states are passing bills and will reap the rewards. How can the NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL sponsor these companies. Why because they do not see it as gambling. It's promoting there players and there statistics. You have players on your or my Fantasy sports team that are from every team in the NFL . There is no reason to ban this activity. It does not matter what the out come of let's say the Bills beating the pats, or if so and so covered the point spread. That's more like gambling and its determined by a out come of a real NFL game. This fantasy stuff drives ratings, it's good for all involved who like it or helps promote there players. I say regulate it so people feel safe playing it and tax it.I for one love playing it's a lot of fun and it really makes watch all sports a lot more fun. Nothing like playing a $3.00 contest on Draftkings in a NBA contest with thousands of other contestants and if my line up is good and I do well I could win $15k for 1st place. it's $3.00 and like the action and it's fun to then go watch all the NBA games on NBA league pass

I saw that video I find it very funny and he makes some good points. So enjoy it the fake commercial at the end made me laugh hard. Daily Fantasy sports should not be banned it should be regulated and taxed. For us guys and gals that want to play. Lots not pretend that political things are in play and the NYS AG is trying to get his 10 minutes of fame. I feel he is wrong and while all the other states around NYS will or are passing bills to regulate it and get a cut of the action for the tax payers this NYS AG is being a jerk now go one state over look what the Mass AG is proposing and wants Daily Fantasy sports to be ok in her state with some regulations. http://dailyfantasytalk.com/2015/11/19/massachusetts-attorney-general-proposes-broad-regulations-dfs-sites/ So I guess all the other states will collect tax revenue but us New Yorkers will be on a island of are own. No daily Fantasy for you New Yorker What a F#%king Joke

How about you guys that are against daily fantasy football please read up about it a little more. instead of listening to what the main stream media jams down your throat. Daily Fantasy sports has been running legally in 45 states and NYS since 2009. it is covered and except under the 2006 Internet Gambling Act a federal law that says Fatasy sports is a Skill based contest, it's not considered gambling under the law and it's considered a contest that is skilled based. The was passed so millions of players can continue to play for money season long leagues and daily So fantasy sports was excepted under this new federal law that president bush signed back in 2006. why don't you guys get this. Yes I agree it should be regulated and taxed. But why be a Dick like The NYS AG and shut it down when there is a Bill pending in NYS that will get finished in Jan. Then you have all these other states passing bills to get there cut and we have are Attorney General who is taking campaign contributions from casino and gaming interest and now he has a change of mind after 6 years a these company's doing business 1 mile from his office in his state. Give me a break. read the stories people wake up and no that this is political in nature and what's going on is he wants it shut down so we can keep playing lotto, scratch offs, OTB horse race betting, state sponsor casinos that give kick backs to the state of NY and the Indian Gambling interests. Now that this has become a big billion dollar industry they fear the competion. I thought we lived in America not Russia. http://dkplayersalliance.com/category/player-stories/

it's a contest that you win money in. Gambling is betting on point spreads and if a team wins or loses. Then when it's over and you lose the casino keeps your money. Fan Duel and Draft Kings does not do that. why don't you get this, it's takes skill to win, to research and make good lineups. let's play a game this week right on this forum using your lineup and my lineup. I will enter both line ups in a 1 dollar contest then I will take screen shots to show the outcome from Draft kings, what do you say smarty pants. no money just a chance to show you you have no idea what the hell your talking about. In Poker you get random cards delt from a deck you have no choice which cards you will start with isn't that really a chance gambling play, then you adjust your way of betting or thinking based on the cards that a delt to you or then flopped during the contest or poker hand. In Fantasy sports you and only you decide which players to form your line up with based on your research ( Not like poker where you have no choice with the cards your delt) and skill of what the best match ups are and how it will construct a good line up to win against other contestants and not the casino or house. So what do you say want to make a fool of your self in this fourm. Edited by billsareback, Today, 01:08 PM. your just plain stupid, you couldn't beat me even if you had help a IBM super Computer you maybe good at poker but your Azzz is mine when it comes to Daily Fantasy football. So go run your mouth some where else like a poker fourm.I feel a serious beat down coming in a daily fantasy football contest I'm just waiting for this clown to step up to the plate and stop his crying. why don't you go get your fake poker chips out and go play some poker with you over weight beer guzzling buddies and stop talking about daily fantasy sports that you know nothing about and have never tried. You NO NOTHING

it's a contest that you win money in. Gambling is betting on point spreads and if a team wins or loses. Then when it's over and you lose the casino keeps your money. Fan Duel and Draft Kings does not do that. why don't you get this, it's takes skill to win, to research and make good lineups. let's play a game this week right on this forum using your lineup and my lineup. I will enter both line ups in a 1 dollar contest then I will take screen shots to show the outcome from Draft kings, what do you say smarty pants. no money just a chance to show you you have no idea what the hell your talking about. In Poker you get random cards delt from a deck you have no choice which cards you will start with isn't that really a chance gambling play, then you adjust your way of betting or thinking based on the cards that a delt to you or then flopped during the contest or poker hand. In Fantasy sports you and only you decide which players to form your line up with based on your research ( Not like poker where you have no choice with the cards your delt) and skill of what the best match ups are and how it will construct a good line up to win against other contestants and not the casino or house. So what do you say want to make a fool of your self in this fourm.

I find this very funny http://dailyfantasytalk.com/2015/11/18/tout-site-offers-100k-to-nyc-public-schools-if-ag-can-beat-a-daily-fantasy-professional/ just a small little sample of the article click on link above to read the whole article Rankled by the New York Attorney General’s assertion that daily fantasy sports is a “contest of chance” and therefore illegal gambling, Doug Norrie and James Davis have issued a challenge to the AG in the form of an old-fashioned wager. If Attorney General Eric Schneiderman can beat a daily fantasy professional, they’ll donate $100,000 to New York City Public Schools. “Attorney General Schneiderman’s claim that daily fantasy is not a game of skill was so absurd that we knew we had to call him out in some way,” said Davis, who along with Norrie operates DailyFantasySportsRankings.com, a site that offers DFS recommendations. “We wanted to make an offer good enough to at least get his attention to the issue, so we settled on offering $100,000 to New York City Public Schools (or a charity of his choice) if he were interested in backing up his claim. We are certain that he’d have something like a zero percent chance of beating an actual DFS pro over a 100-contest sample, so it never felt very risky to us.”

Again you have no idea what your talking about. read the federal law that excepts Fantasy Football because it's skill based. President bush signed the law it's legal to play in 44 states. Now because it's gotten big the states want a cut of the action. I dare you to read what really is going on and get your head out of the sand. Massachusetts attorney general proposes broad regulations on DFS sites http://dailyfantasytalk.com/2015/11/19/massachusetts-attorney-general-proposes-broad-regulations-dfs-sites/ Draft kings law suit against NYS AG http://dailyfantasytalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/DK-TRO.pdf fab duels law suit against NYS AG http://dailyfantasytalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/fanduel-doc-3.pdf http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2012/09/19/should-gambling-on-fantasy-football-be-legal/ read this first so you understand the federal law and how it's legal and why it's not gambling it's a contest that's skill based https://ecolawgical.wordpress.com/2011/12/13/fantasy-games-and-their-exemption-from-the-status-of-online-gambling/

Please go back a read my thread A few posts back and read the federal law that President Bush signed 2007 Internet Gambling act law. it excepts Fantasy sports because they do not consider it gambling because it's a skill based game. They made a provision in the federal law to keep fantasy sports legal at the federal level the problem is each state interprets there law in the own way to protect there interests. Daily fantasy sports has been running in NYS since 2009. NYS AG knows this and he takes money from the casino lobby and Indian gambling. now that Daily Fantasy sports has become big, it's now a threat. The only thing that changed in the last few weeks is the NYS AG opnion and him looking out to the gambling operations, Casinos, Indian casinos, Horse Racing and lottery that he took campaign money from. While other states are passing bills to make sure it's legal in there state and so they can get there cut and regulate it and tax it. This guy just shuts it down, please go read my very long post about it a few post up from here.

Your wrong