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The very best video i’ve seen all year. Fantastic it brought a tear to my eyes. What great season of emotion and determination. Also the snow game against the colts was so epic and fun.
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USC QB’s don’t usually pan out. But maybe Darnold is the exception to the rule. Will see he sure does turn the ball over a lot.
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54 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
NY daily news just stiring up crap to sell newspapers and get clicks.
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20 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:
Rosen does not fit "THE PROCESS". Beane and McDerrott would never draft, especially trade picks for a player who will not fit into the culture. Sam Darnold, Josh Allen and Mason Rudolph are McBeane players.
Bingo we have a winner. Mcbean will not even touch Rosen even if he was there in the 2nd round. The guy is a Bust waiting to happen. Ryan Leaf 2.0
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Will see what happens. This is my opinion and i’m sticking with it. Your have a right to your own opinion and who’s to say your wrong. I’m man enough to come back here after the 1st round is over and man up if I’m wrong. What more could you want then that. If I’m right i’m hoping you will come back and say he was right in his way of thinking about Rosen.
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On 3/26/2018 at 4:08 PM, MAJBobby said:
So Thurm still waiting???
I never said I talked to anyone. So why you mad Bro. You asked me for stuff to back it up. I provided it and you still can’t except it. This is coming from scouts and people in the media. I did not make it up or manufacture it. So it’s out there and it’s a problem for Rosen just like it was a problem for Dan Marino. I can’t help it that the QB you like the best is going to drop like a lead ballon in the draft.
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http://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/espn-josh-rosen-toughness-leadership/405547
5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:And you have NOT once proven or shown anything that says he is not a leader.
Again Who did you TALK to to make this deduction
Need I say more
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3 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:
Dude you have done nothing but B word, moan, and argue everyone point with a petty come back. If you dont agree move on, he posted his opinion and backed it up. You contributed nothing but bellyaching.
4 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:1 hour ago, JoPar_v2 said:In other words, you have none beyond a handful of youtube clips of talking heads. What a joke buddy.
If I showed you a picture of Rosen in a MAGA hat, would your tune change? I bet it might.
Keep this going though. Keep digging that hole for yourself.
I know what he is trying to do is make this political.
I did not vote in the election. plus I never mentioned politics in this entire thread that I started. But he keeps trying. Not falling for it.
Lets stick to football which I’ve done the entire thread. I could care less what Rosen’s political views are. He is not a leader of men and I don’t want him anywhere near my football team.
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7 minutes ago, dezertbill said:
How I see it.
1 Bills- (trade up w/ Browns). Darnold
2 Giants- Chubb/Barkley
3 Jets- Rosen
4. Browns- Allen
This will not happen because the Browns know if they trade the number 1 pick to the Bills. The Bills will select Josh Allen. The Browns top QB is Allen and so is the Bills. If the Bills get to 2 it will force Cleveland’s hand to select Josh Allen because they will lose him otherwise. I think Cleveland’s plan is to trade with the NYG for 2 and get Josh Allen and Barkley. If the Bills do get to 2 we will either get Allen or Darold. That’s how I see it.
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1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:
Marino - Drug rumors right before Draft
Rogers - the System he ran
Lots of off the field stuff being reported about Rosen. So again off the field stuff dropped Marino and so it will come to pass with Rosen.
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If Dan Marino can drop to 26th and AaronRogers To 21st.Then Rosen can also drop to bottom of Round 1 too.
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1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:
Actually, your title says that Rudolph will get drafted before Rosen.
That is the exact definition of saying they would get drafted in that order.
What I said was if the Bills were picking at 12 and Rosen and Randolph are there I believe the Bills would take Rudolph. That’s what I said.
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5 minutes ago, stony said:
Add me to the list, sir!
With all due respect, you're FN crazy!!!
All I am saying is this is how I have the QB’s ranked. I did not say they would get drafted in that order. This is just how I feel there value is to me when I evaluate them.
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Just now, formerlyofCtown said:
No one would be left to post.
Taking names, Rosen will drop like a lead ballon.
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I’m taking names so on draft day I will revisit this post and call out all you nay sayers. Also yes I will revisit it and say i’m wrong if that happens. I’m just posting for the record my feelings. So here is my draft qb’s ranked best to worst.
Josh Allen
Baker Mayfield
Sam Darnold
Mason Rudolph
Lamar Jackson
Mike White
Kyle Lauletta
Josh Rosen
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Not happening Bills haveJosh Allen number 1 on there Draft chart. So no Rosen would not be the pick.
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3 hours ago, BillsFan17 said:
My thoughts exactly, might as well get as much as you can for the pick.
Problem with that thinking is The Bills will take Josh Allen. So they won’t be trading number 1 to the Bills because that’s who there targeting.
I have Allen number 1 QB in this class so I would love it, I think the Bills have Allen number 1 on there draft board.
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24 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:
Define “lots” and name some of these sources you’re relying on. You say there are many.
google is your best friend
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3 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:
Maybe because you seem biased and pig-headed on the subject? That may be why people don’t believe you. Just tell us why you really hate the kid will you? Or are you just trying to drag out this thread for as long as possible?
He is not a leader of Men. I don’t believe in him at all to me he is Ryan Leaf 2.0 I’m not the only one saying it, lots of stories out there by reputable NFL people and scouts.
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6 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said:
I heard this as well and while you are correct that his statements of Rosen were not glowing, he studdered and stammered through the entire interview not just during that portion. More importantly, if any human being uses that interview as a tool to grade that QB, that persons qualifications and therefore his conclusions should be questioned.
glad someone else heard that. Man why would I lie. Anyways it’s just another red flag on Rosen in my opinion. He has to be the leader and he is not a leader. This QB is not for me that all I can say that for sure.
6 minutes ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:I just listen to it live on NFL network i’m still in the parking lot. Why would I lie about it.
Billsfan1234
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Just now, BillsFan2313 said:
I don't believe you. Anyways, another tackle of Rosens, who actually plays for the Bills, speaks highly of Rosen. He even said Beane has talked to him about Rosen.
I just listen to it live on NFL network i’m still in the parking lot. Why would I lie about it.
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I’m in Lowe’s parking lot listening to NFL network and there Interviewing Kolton Miller UCLA OT.
They asked him his opinion about Rosen. He struggled to say anything good about Rosen. He really struggled coming up with anything. It took him like 2 minutes before he said at the end of the Interview that Rosen did a lot better his senior year then he did in his 1st two years. Man this guy is just a freaking cancer, Bean will not draft this guy I can just feel it. Rosen is not a Buffalo Bills or Bean type player. He started off by saying Rosen came in with a Attitude his freshman year and it took a awhile to really get to know him and to get know what he was about, this guy has Ryan Leaf witten all over him. Again his OT at UCLA struggled to say anything good about him. The interview part when Rosen’s name came up became a studdering mess. You could tell he was searching for something good to say. Now you tell me is this a guy the Bills should trade 3 number 1 picks for and a 2nd rounder and 3 rounder. This guy will be out of the league before his rookie contract is up.
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11 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:
Ok, if that's why you don't like him, then why did you say that you would question whether you'd support him as the Bills QB? If it's only because you are worried about if he is fragile or a team leader?
BTW Here's what his actual teammates had to say on that whole narrative (to save you time, its BS) -
https://www.ndtscouting.com/ledyard-time-to-bury-josh-rosen-character-slander-once-and-for-all/
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/josh_rosen_and_baker_mayfield.html
I like how you only posted the weakness part of Josh Rosen's NFL draft profile. But you left out all the good stuff.
Find me one QB in any draft that didn't have weaknesses in their draft profile. Go back and read what they've said about other top QBs in the NFL before they were drafted.
I can do the same with Mason Rudolph... Heres his negatives from his scouting report-
Sounds like a WB projected to go day 2, to me.
WEAKNESSES
Over-strides at times. Rarely drives lower body through the throw causing ball to sail and float. May not generate enough velocity to beat ball-hawking corners who strangle passing windows. Field-side outs will be a challenge. Needs throws to stay on schedule. Needs to throw with better timing and placement on comeback and outs. Defaults to off-platform throws when he has time to step and deliver. Ball placement and decision making can run askew when forced to scramble from pocket. Ball will come out wobbly at times. Inexperienced as rollout passer. Benefitted from ball-winning targets downfield. Wasn't asked to get through many progressions in the offense. Has had ball security issues as a starter.
DRAFT PROJECTION
Rounds 2-3
SOURCES TELL US
"If you spoke with ten different scouts you would get at least four different opinions about him. I've just seen too many of those system quarterbacks struggle to make it in the league so I'm hesitant [/B]to buy in. He has gotten better this year." -- NFC team regional scout
NFL COMPARISON
Christian Ponder
[/B]BOTTOM LINE
Pocket quarterback with good size who has shown consistent improvement as a passer. Rudolph is more of a downfield, play-action passer than a quarterback who can win with precision and arm strength. He's a capable field reader who has the ability to operate with timing which will be important since his arm can be dull at times. Rudolph could be an early backup with the potential of becoming an average to below average starter in the league.
Sounds to me like a system QB that was surrounded by some excellent talent, who doesn't have a great shot at being a true NFL franchise QB...
There's a reason why Rudolph isn't being talked about among the top QBs in this draft class.
To me Rudolph is more reliable and a better leader then Rosen. His stats prove it and so does his non Injury related problems and also his winning record. But for me it’s the eye test, when I watch these two play in live action. Rudolph looks better and performs better then Rosen. Then you take into the account Rosen’s attitude and off the field stuff and Injury stuff and not relating or being condescending to his coaches. So that’s why I rate him outside top 6 to 8 QB’s. So that’s my scouting report.
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2 minutes ago, fridge said:
You haven’t listed any red flags. You just mentioned he is a bad teammate without any sources.
Please list his red flags. It seems political.
Stop bring politics into this never once in this thread did I ever mention politics.
Durability is a concern. Carries slight build and has had injury issues dating back to high school. Carries ball low in pocket with slight upward pre-throw hitch. Too casual in pocket set-up. Decision making and post-snap reads are inconsistent. Refuses easy throws at times. Arm talent and strength are below average. May need to make greater effort to drive field and seam throws. Poor career deep ball completion rate. Excess air under ball allows challenges. Lacks gun to challenge safeties with rip throws over the top. Needs better anticipation. Poor mobility. Struggles to elude early pressure. Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move. Too much hero ball. Extends plays and takes unnecessary chances rather than throwing it away. Scouts question his passion for football and whether he will be a willing student.
Prediction Rudolph will go before Rosen if the Bills are selecting a QB at 12
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I’m laughing my ass off you can’t make this crap up even if you tried. His own college coach would not draft him if he was on cleveland.
A few moments ago on @nflnetwork, Jim Mora said that he'd take Sam Darnold over Josh Rosen if he had the No. 1 overall pick in this year's draft. Here's Mora's reasoning: