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But in real life it is someone who'd like to see both the Clintons and Trump get caught up in it.

I wouldn't put it past the southern district of NY to focus on Epstein's relationship with Trump and ignore his other relationships.

Well if there are tons of them and they are all smart wouldn't some of them want signals to get through? And if none of the signals get through why isn't the rest of the universe a projection made by these same aliens? Why is what we see actually real?

You're one of those dudes who just turns weird when they lose an argument huh?

Re-read my post. They couldn't block our view without catching up to their earlier signals. I then granted that I could conceive of this happening.

What did I deny? And why would I know what a spaceship looks like?

What are you even talking about?

A civilization couldn't conceivably block our view unless it caught up to its own previous unblocked signals floating through space. This seems conceivable but not with anything we currently know. Granted they'd know more. But if the universe is teeming with life wouldn't some want to block signals, some not care and sone actively want to send signals? Still crickets. Actually not even crickets.

Religion has zero to do with this. It is easy to believe both God and aliens are real, only one of them is real or that neither is real. You make a good point about the possibility of other dimensions but that isn't what I mean when discussing aliens,. I mean aliens from our known universe. It is far from self important to look at facts rather than hope or supposition. The fact is that we have been listening for signals for decades. We've detected information from billions of years ago, millions of years ago, thousands of years ago, hundreds of years ago and from present day. We've done so while looking in every direction. We have gathered an incredible amount of data and zero bytes of that data indicate anything alien in origin. The point isn't that we can ever know that something doesn't exist. We can't. But if the universe was teeming with life we would know by now even using our relatively crude technology. We would have known within minutes of detecting our first signals from space. That is math, not self importance. The more we listen and the less we hear, the more likely it is that we're alone. Every minute that goes by without detecting anything proves over and over again the extreme rarity of intelligent life out there. It is very clear that the existence of intelligent life in any given place is like hitting the lottery. And we hit it. This isn't like the Powerball though. Think of having to hit the right 100 numbers and the Powerball from a pool of a trillion numbers,. It appears to be something like that. Sorry. I only saw about 5 episodes of the show and one had Drake's equation in it. None of them had his mother.

Sheldon is a proponent of Drake's equation which is why I call it sitcom math.

Lol a cave man drew something. 11 seconds is an eternity and yet staring at the heavens via SETI and other boondoggles has yielded in 40 years. Next up : 40 years is nothing even though 11 seconds is eternity. That should be another mathematical hoot.

I acknowledge all parts of the equation, not just the ones that fit my "belief".

Keep that mind closed and keep focusing on denominators and ignoring numerators.

You need to keep reading the earlier parts of this thread because you are using sitcom math to make your point when in reality it refutes your point. How many planets have been found in the habitable zones that do not have at least one giant disqualifier for being truly earth like? That number is zero. What is zero times 100 baziliondy trillion? You are correct that there are likely vastly more which are undiscovered. Establishing the rarity of Earth is currently an impossible task but something called the rare Earth hypothesis explains that the rarity of Earth is very likely a mirror image to the enormity of the number of planets out there. Couple that with the complete lack of any detected signal, add a pinch of Occum's Shaver and you have a recipe for the most likely reality.

Keep believing Trekkies. But ignore that Spock dude who stresses logic.

You are a true believer. Of course things can't totally be ruled out but to say what he used wasn't math is simply denial. The overall point is we are never going to find them because we haven't already. And you left out the part where Kurzweil in fact thinks we're alone.

Pretty much the same math I used:

I didn't protest any math. I used it. You've used unfounded mockery thus far. Pursuit of the truth sometimes leads us to results that disappoint. Whether exhilarating or disappointing, the results of logic are always instructive. Try using it and listening to it some time soon. It was a discussion in this thread and it should be easier to find than currency conversion tables.

As I've stated multiple times, it is in this very thread on pages in the 20-40 range.

That's clever. Did you read the math? I'm eager to hear your refutation.

Math has shown that there are no life forms elsewhere in the universe capable of communicating with Earth. Those have been the goal posts since early in this thread and haven't moved. The basis of the thread is UFOs so it should be clear we aren't talking about microbes or monkeys, although the math is starting to pile up against the existence of the latter off Earth as well.

I like everything I hear except the part where he spoke with free agents we were considering. He certainly didn't convince any decent player to join because none did.

Shirley. Redefining intelligent is a desperation heave. We're talking about being intelligent enough to send signals into space. Whales or Dolphins don't cut it and Canadians count as human. It's not closed minded. It's math.

He really is pathetic.

How much infinite is enough infinite?