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Re-read what you just wrote and then re-think whether I am the one being human centric or if that is you. Your first paragraph does a great job making my points. Why would a civilization that advanced care if we knew or not? What if there were a million of them? Would they all want us not to know? Every single one? What about signs they may have inadvertently sent before they became so advanced? Did those disappear? Yes, the UFO nature of this thread is about physical visitation but clearly that is not the only way we could find out about aliens. Take your example of us and add 1000 years. What is the most likely thing we'd do? This is important. What is the most realistic thing that we'll do?

The discussion has been about intelligent life, not basic forms. Let's just agree to leave extraterrestrial bacteria out of it. If one really thinks through item 3 then item 4 just merges into it. 4 applies to any endeavor; not just aliens. It just says go where the evidence leads. Point 3 is where thinking is required. I understand your point of view but I disagree with it,. The sheer numbers make it clear that the amount of data out there, if any, would be effectively infinite. But there is none. What conclusion is most logical based on that?

3. This is where you need to think more, IMO. You are the one thinking of it from our point of view, not me. Let's set aside the stuff about Titan and basic life. We probably agree more than we disagree on that. We at least agree that we don't know yet. We also agree about any individual galaxy being a grain of sand but draw opposite conclusions from that. We are not the center of the universe, physically. Even if you agreed that we are the only intelligent life, we are still not the center. So what? Now imagine we are one of many. How many would there be? How long would they have been around? Where would they have originated? What would they have done and how? Think of it on their terms. What does that look like to you? When you think this through you will see that your comments in point 4 are moot and point 3 is all that needs reflection.

1. I appreciate your respectful demeanor, which is different from some other posters. 2. Although cute, chipmunks can be mildly destructive and make rabbits look like Shakers. 3. Before calling me short sighted and small minded please think. Really think. If you do, you may retract what you said about our view being rudimentary. Even if you don't retract that aspect of it, don't just think about us. Think about more than just us. 4. Sometimes avoiding small mindedness involves accepting what the evidence shows, even if you'd prefer it show something else.

Despite the objections of some posters who seem to have weird vendettas and calling me vile names like PD, logic will always rule the day. I have in fact explained sitcom math in the thread. It is an equation initially meant to show that there are likely a high number of alien civilizations. It is based on real factors and there really isn't too much wrong with it. Rather than go into it all again I'll say: If all of the unknown factors in the equation are very close to zero, but not zero, the number of civilizations would be incredibly high. We have been collecting and analyzing signals from space for decades. This involves all points in time since the beginning and all directions. Not a solitary thing has been found indicating a civilization in any way. Any objective unemotional view of the above two points leads to the obvious conclusion that there is simply nothing to be found. People can yammer on and on attempting to poke holes in that, but they either fail to look into all of the implications of the above or they do and they remain in denial. I did that homework in this thread already. The above is the Cliff notes version. Note:. This logical conclusion applies only to the observable universe, not to other dimensions or other parts of a possible multiverse.

The Wall

It's in the thread.

You know why I don't think the ETs will disclose themselves? There are multiple reasons but I'd put "lack of existence" on top of the list.

Oh for Pete's sake.

Noted. Unlike aliens, this is a conspiracy theory that is believable.

If this were a video daily double clue on Jeopardy the question would be: What is a dude who can do more pull-ups than Mittlestadt?

I don't need to get elected or anything else. I will release all the information about aliens right now: There aren't any. Maybe now Bernie can promise to release information about eliminating toenail fungus as that would be more substantive and valuable and it is sort of free health care.

If he were on the Fish he'd be Fitzgibbons favorite target.

That'll all come out on the 12th.

It will happen on the 12th

Whoa

Rex

Either extra precaution was taken or it wasn't. All of your conspiracy stuff assumes it was. I agree that it should have been, but to just assume that it was is not based in anything factual. It is very possible that he could have had normal sheets back and hung himself with them. I agree; especially with the first part.

Lol you are making leaps in logic, not me. Every article I've read said "prisoners on suicide watch get......". This certainly implies that those not on suicide watch did not have those things. There is nowhere for me to point you to other than "every article written about it". There was no indication that once a prisoner was off the list that he would keep the suicide sheets. Your assumptions are the leap.

Dude the special clothes and sheets were for prisoners on suicide watch. Epstein was off suicide watch. This information is easy to find. Those bones are broken both by hanging and strangulation, although less frequently in hanging.

A signed helmet? How about.........oneBILLION dollars?

I don't care about it. But people definitely cash in on this imaginary stuff. People want to believe in aliens so others make movies about it, create web sites, whatever. It's basically an industry.

It wasn't just one skin. It was four.

Are you implying that SETI $ are the only $ impacted by the erroneous belief in intelligent aliens?

What is the order of Canada? Three glazed donuts?