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Do you guys think Trevor Lawrence could get a haircut, go unrecognized and drop to the 4th? If all of this crap happened a year ago, where would Burrow have been picked?

1. Understood and agreed on the first part. Taking the Devil's advocate approach though, the lack of communication at the time most certainly required a leap of faith by the mathematician regarding observations from 800 kilometers away. My point is that if all you had was Sagan and the original dude's pre-science, it wouldn't be enough. Clearly we have much more information since which proves what was hypothesized. 2. Meh. Again I agree and believe what he did was legit, but it could have been a parlor trick. If you're saying Sagan would agree that we've now discerned aliens most likely have never existed you are probably right but he might not ever say so publicly.

The article was optimistic, not the equation. And although your assertion about our radio signals is accurate, you left out a lot of stuff.

Applying wishful thinking to any question, as done in that article, will result I good news every time. Wishful thinking has a use in many areas. Except math. Accept math.

Although I agree with this particular conclusion by Sagan, I don't think it would be hard to argue with....although only temporarily. The way to do this would be twofold: 1. Question the accuracy of the observations. There was no instantaneous communication when that guy made his calculations. How could the observations be properly validated? 2. Shoot the messenger. Sagan clearly had issues with judgement as evidenced by his atrocious fashion statement. Although sophomoric, this is indisputable. On a more serious note, Sagan through numerous implications clearly believed in the existence of intelligent alien life, an assertion since refuted by math. His credibility could be easily questioned. In 2020 point 1 above can easily be disproven. Although point 2 still holds water, it is rendered moot and flat Earthers are proven wrong.

I may have figured this out. The OP says Albany so is Watervliet near by? And is it spelled correctly? Anyway that is pretty close to Canada I think and with the inabilty to coherently spell the name of the town, it could be that there is a lot of Canadian genetic influence which would explain why she is able to charge.

It's not fair at all to say Marcel didn't comment on his worldview. He commented on at least part of it. He made it clear that he feels an athlete owes the world an explanation and a penance over off hand comments made in private while that athlete was very young. Personally, while I'm not a big fan of what Fromm typed, I don't think he owes me an explanation,. Others disagree and think he owes it. Marcel is clearly among them and that's fine, but that is part of his worldview. If a reporter from a right wing paper asked Fromm about his very same comments but from a gun control angle, received a similar response and said "unacceptable", would that reporter have shown his worldview at all?

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Agreed. Time 100x better spent with Allen.

I guess so, but not everything. I've seen nothing about Fromm's opinion of making Covid masks from equine noggins. How about reporters press quarterbacks about football and politicians about politics? Would that make more sense?

My recollection was that Fromm implied nobody should have guns...then joked....well maybe elite white people. I took that to mean most whites would also be excluded. Elite is definitely a qualifying word. And that NRA comment begs for proof but this is probably the wrong thread.

Huh? Fromm's text pretty much implied he was a gun control advocate.

I agree the anti-gun left wing opinions expressed by Fromm were bad. I also didn't like that he dismissed people based on race and economics. Even if he was joking, which he probably was, it was a bad joke IMO. I guess I'll cut him a little slack....not much...on the race stuff because he was young. I'll cut him more slack on the left wing junk because kids tend to be ignorant about that kind of stuff.

"Black lives matter" is a truthful statement but the organization with that name is full of bad ideas. An organization with the name "Ice cream is yummy" could also have bad ideas.

I can't figure out if he is Little Red Riding Hood or the Big Bad Wolf.

Only @Joe in Winslow knows for sure but I'm guessing it is the brother of the San Diego Skyper.

If there was an organization named "Ice Cream is Yummy" and they advocated abolishing banks, would it mean that people who supported banks hate ice cream?

He was asked to comment on the goings on in the country. Is he supposed to have "grown" into someone capable of healing society? How did he trip on the question? Answer it properly for him. What could he have said that would have satisfied you? Why must we all be satisfied by a football player's answers about political climate? He did answer the question about himself and the follow up was about political climate. If he used the Bill an Ted ' "be excellent to each other" there would probably be less teeth gnashing. Bring God into it and people get all defensive. That is their right. But to declare that someone's thoughts are unacceptable is a bridge too far. Having that opinion is fine. Expressing it as an opinion is also fine. Declaring it as a fact is wrong.

And the reporter gets to declare that unacceptable because?

1. This is an American board so kindly keep the u out of favors. 2. You and others may view it as a deflection. A different group may not. Can't a person love God and people? That is what Fromm said he is trying to do. Is that a bad approach? Can't someone who doesn't believe think, "well at least he loves people too"? You or I might view his approach as ill conceived. That's fine. Pronouncing it as "unacceptable" in a written statement, not framed as opinion, is wrong.

They basically stole a sentence and redefined it.

I worry about that but don't think it will come to pass. Most people are tolerant. Those who aren't are purposefully loud.

From didn't shove anything on anyone. The reporter became judge jury and executioner for Fromm's beliefs.

There is a "ticket price" and a "football seat contribution". I'm not sure what each costs but they are forcing fans to forfeit the second one. That's crap. What if an individual fan doesn't wish to "donate" to that particular charity? Somehow I doubt the Levi Lamb fund helps underage victims of sexual predators.

They are basically stealing money from their fans. Then again their fans have proven football is more important to them than keeping children safe from rape, so I'm sure a few bucks won't get in the way.