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The point is that although we are currently incapable of making self replicating Von Neumann probes, we are almost certainly within 100 years of being able to make them. The concept seems highly logical, almost inevitable. It is so much easier than sending a living being or multiple living beings on that kind of trip. Maybe we evolve to the point where we could send people, but robots are far more likely to be the first step. Agree? If you dig a little on VN probes, you’ll find that in theory, they could traverse our entire galaxy in roughly 250,000 years. That means a society, group, or even an individual that is 250,100 years older than us could have covered the galaxy by now. If the galaxy is in any way conducive to the common or even exceedingly rare development of intelligent life, we should have already seen them many times over. 250,000 years is almost nothing when compared with the age of the universe. If intelligent alien life existed, even if it were exceedingly rare, the timelines and math indicate we’d have likely seen these probes. This doesn’t even dip into the discussion on detection of radio signals and multitudes of other ways we already have to “see” things in space that would indicate intelligence.

I asked Patrick a question above about the most likely initial interstellar travel any advanced species would undertake. For some reason, he wants no part of it. If you answer that question, and overlay it with your quote above, where does that lead you? Hint: My answer to that question is similar to something called Von Neumann probes.

Duane is the guy that thinks Skinner is good at hockey, isn’t he?

I agree on Europa. I wouldn’t be shocked if there were something there. I also wouldn’t be shocked if there weren’t. My assertion has been very consistent as being about intelligent, communicative life in this universe. It hasn’t changed. To simplify it further, this started as a UFO thread and there are simply no alien originating UFOs.

I’ve always qualified that parallel universes, other dimensions and other things are not part of anything I’ve discussed. The observable universe is the only thing I’ve mentioned.

Do you think they will let him know? I don’t think he’d hurt the team like that just to win a Super Bowl.

He’s always hurt and we have the Irish hurling player who is finally allowed to play. Those guys don’t get hurt.

Wow. What are you suggesting? Conform or be cast out? Nice. Isn’t the point of a message board to discuss things on which we agree AND disagree? I don’t know if anyone on Earth agrees with me 100% on any topic. I don’t know that any two posters in this thread agree with each other 100%. There are most certainly people who agree with my assessment on the probability of aliens and I’ve posted several videos in this thread. Is that enough for me to have your royal approval to keep posting? Or maybe they aren’t aware that space is like totally big and has lots of galaxies and stuff.

Any objective viewer of today’s discussion can see who has been reasonable and who has not. The question I asked was not difficult. You should answer it. My answer to it is: The most likely way aliens would initially physically explore beyond their solar system would mirror what we are doing within our....and to a very limited extent beyond ours. The exploration tools would be mechanical in nature and not manned. This is because it is far easier to send a device that required neither life support nor propulsion systems required to transport that much bigger payload. Would you agree in general?

I have called people loons, but not the posters here. I don’t think you’re a loon. I think Baker Mayfield is a loon. I think some of the people who have made videos showing the Navy files as proof are loons. There is no way of knowing what is out there? Then what are all of those telescopes and other devices doing? Aren’t they collecting data? There is no way of knowing what could be out there? That’s simply not true. We can look at ourselves and extrapolate a bit. That certainly can provide some theories for what could be out there. Not everything, but some things. Honestly you’ve attempted no reasonable discussion at all. If you had you’d find it pretty easy to have a discussion with me. When I’ve repeated things, it has been because repeated questions get repeated answers. Why not at least try to have a reasonable discussion by answering the one simple question I wrote above? What is the most likely way an intelligent alien individual, group, or society would explore interstellar space, at least initially? By this I mean physical exploration, not just sending and receiving signals. That question is not unreasonable, is it?

There is no belief that anyone has that bothers me. That goes for UFOs, leprechauns, unicorns, etc. I do find that most people with beliefs are willing to examine those beliefs through the lens of available factual information to discern if their beliefs are real. You appear to be in the small group that sticks fingers in their ears and sings la la la. Also fine. If you are unwilling to examine your UFO beliefs using reality as a measuring stick, then don’t answer my question. I’d also appreciate if you didn’t accuse me of being somehow disingenuous when you refuse to even scratch at the surface of facts to defend your position. This is a discussion board. Opinions differing from yours are allowed and evidence backing up all sides are permissible.

If you are laughing at yourself, that is a positive ability that not everyone possesses. Congrats. If laughing at me, it seems odd. After all you quoted a post of mine that is a month old and accused me of belittling people. I politely answered it and invited you into a rational discussion. The question I posed was relatively simple and I’d assert that it should provoke some thought. Where’s the harm? I invited you to show evidence for your beliefs. You could also ask me a question. Instead it seems you’re avoiding a rational discussion.

I certainly do not mean to belittle anyone. If I’m belittling anything it is exactly what you describe, at least in a way. You say I’m repeating myself but that’s no more true for me than it is anyone else in the thread. Silly debunked sighting or theory after silly debunked sighting or theory is the primary makeup of this thread. When actual facts are introduced, they all point in a direction far far away from aliens. I guess that means I’m belittling the notion of intelligent aliens too. I do not intend to belittle anyone personally. Believing in the existence of intelligent aliens is perfectly fine. Thinking they exist defies logic if simple math is introduced into the equation. Please share with me any logic that could make someone think, rather than simply believe, that intelligent aliens exist. Do it via reply, or if you prefer, show where it has been done in this thread. I’ll return the favor step by step this time, by asking questions: 1. What is the most likely way an intelligent alien individual, group, or society explore interstellar space at least initially? By this I mean actual exploration, not just communication. If you prefer not to answer, I’ll tell you what I think is the most logical answer to see if you agree or disagree.

Tomato, pa-tah-to

IYHO did Andrew Luck live up to his billing as one of the two best QBs of all time or did he fall short? I’ll hang up and listen.

You’re a commie.

Is he dead or alive? Also, was he in the band Dead or Alive?

It’s a trap. It’s 50% off, but you only get the S, not the B.

The entire thing is weird and it’s not like Skinner is the only problem, but there is zero chance any team will trade for him.

He is bad. He plays 50% of the game. His confidence is not shot. He only cares about scoring goals and he is confident enough to ignore his duties on defense and lurk on the blue line. He has a career +/- of -123 and his best career season was +0. They cannot trade him because of his gigantic contract. Obviously the Sabres have major problems and Krueger may indeed be part of them. Skinner is most certainly part of them and there is no miracle coach out there that will make him part of any sort of solution.

Oh for Pete’s sake.

Watched for about 5 minutes of game time on and off today. Saw Skinner again hanging at the blue line waiting for the breakout pass. He got two, fumbled one of them and hit the goalie’s left pad with the other. The situation is really bad and there are many culprits but Skinner is untradeable, bad and on an expensive long term deal. He burns a roster spot and an inordinate amount of cap.

The answer to your question is Tim Murray.

Vendetta against Dahlin is bizarre.

I wonder if they ate at The Cheesecake Factory.