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They literally changed the playing field because of Gibson. Good call.

For $200 Alex….what is a……

For some reason this post makes me want to add Jesse Owens and Jim Thorpe to the mix.

If sports had died before TV was invented would TV have saved sports? Even if much of it is legend, there has been much written about Ruth’s impact on baseball and sports in general. Are you denying that? One example: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/how-babe-ruth-changed-baseball-51810018/ Care to link to an article from the Smithsonian or another equally credible source about how Brady changed the sport of football? One? Choppy films notwithstanding, Ruth’s statistics can be compared to his contemporaries. They dwarf them in a manner unmatched to this day. Are you denying that? I won’t deny that a part of Ruth’s legacy is allegory and legend a la Paul Bunyan and that those days are over. Yes, he was in the right place at the right time to have the societal impact that he had. But he had it. To deny this out of some weird loyalty to Tom Brady is awkward at best. Yes era to era comparisons are tough because things change. Was Jimmy Carter a more significant president than George Washington because the economy was larger under Carter?

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You may not be aware but freedom of movement from the Philippines or Thailand is vastly different than freedom of movement from China. Geez dude. Do you consider Watson innocent of crimes or the DA that tried to bring charges against him incompetent? Do you see how the standards you’re applying to these two sets of circumstances are inconsistent?

And his era is one that literally put sports on the map. His numbers are factually dominant. His impact is undeniable. Yet somehow all pales in comparison to Brady and only Brady. Up next: A comparison of water into wine versus hitting Gronk down the seam.

Numbers are numbers and the concept of standard deviation exists. Ruth’s performance versus his contemporaries spits in the face of any assertion that he was somehow not phenomenal. Call him fat all you want but numbers don’t lie. The intangibles are also undeniably in favor of Ruth IMO although it can be argued, and should be, that this is because he came along at the right time and being first to anything also builds the legend. If Ruth never came along it can be argued, and has been, that sports themselves would have died on the vine. That cannot be argued of Brady for Pete’s friggin sake.

Well you still haven’t answered so infinity or until I give up I guess. Any thoughts on the case against Watson falling apart and why it is different than the trafficking aspect of the case in Florida falling apart?

So do you believe that the woman in this case were: 1. Trafficked? 2. Found their way past the CCP to Florida on their own but that their resourcefulness ran out and they got stuck living in a massage parlor? There are many ways for criminal cases to “fall apart” but they don’t all reflect on whether the asserted crime actually happened. Would you agree? Heck, Watson’s criminal case “fell apart” so you are arguing with yourself here. IMO if you believe number 2 above you’ll need to run to get back on

Because lungs are more important than brain cells?

Very different sports. Ruth transformed baseball and in a way all of sports. Sports position in society pre-Ruth was not the same as it was once he came along. In that way he will never have a peer no matter how much the Pats fans regulars and others would like to say it. I’d say Ruth benefits from being “the first”, but he also was a major outlier from everyone else. The fact that his anomalous nature holds up after a century is telling. I’m not sure anyone modern sports can ever reach that. Candidates are easier to find in sports outside of football and I feel Gretzky is by far the closest. The hoops arguments are tougher due to the different positions, I could see Russell, Jordan and some others making a case but all are debatable. In football you’d have to consider Brown, Brady, LT and Rice IMO but the singular nature of their roles makes it tough to compare them to Ruth. Others: Joe Louis, Don Bradman, Bobby Jones, Mark Spitz. Pele could be considered if soccer qualifies as a sport as could and Glenn Howard if curling is a sport.

I made no assertion that Kraft was human trafficking. Stop saying that. And calling me racist….I’m not sure I even understand that but don’t need you to elaborate with whatever ridiculous equation was going on in your mind on that. Are you aware of how easy or difficult it is to simply pick up and move from China to the United States? Do you think an average Chinese person just does that with the intent of living in a massage parlor in Florida? And there are no obstacles from the CCP? And they don’t speak English? And they do that all on their own? And I’m the one ignorant about the realities of the world? Really? And this means human trafficking doesn’t exist or didn’t happen in the case of Kraft’s hangout? And it is not equally obvious that you have your mind made up? Shirley

A “willing” participant that through their own ingenuity amassed the means and contacts to secure their own departure from a dictatorial communist state and achieve the lifelong dream of servicing fat old billionaires while living in the back of a massage parlor with 20 odd other equally resourceful women who had and achieved the identical lifelong dream? Shirley. I’m not defending Watson, nor am I claiming that at the moment of the “transaction” that the circumstances were identical, but the notion that the women in Florida were somehow “free” is beyond ludicrous. The Kraft/ Watson analogy is not perfect by any means but to pretend that Watson’s group of women were in a horrible situation…..which they seemingly were…..but that Kraft’s were simply willing participants is a joke….and a bad one. There is no direct evidence that Kraft was involved in what put the women in the circumstances they found themselves in….except for the culmination of it. That’s the difference. Lawyering up and pretending not to know about or purposely not learning about the circumstances of these women’s lives is not exactly the pinnacle of valor. Humor me for a minute….. If the women in the parlor were sent to Florida from China essentially as slaves to perform these acts under threats to either them or their family, how are their circumstances all that different from the circumstances of Watson’s victims? I see it as two horribly dehumanizing threats in different forms. Watson’s threats were immediate while the Florida women had already been coerced into submission. There is a difference between Kraft and Watson in the sense that Kraft has plausible deniability. Whoopy do for him.

Wishful thinking versus math. Spoiler alert: Math wins again.

Lol so the women managed to get out of China and ended up living in the same massage parlor eating cat food but weren’t trafficked? Gotcha. Have you invested in the Brooklyn bridge again lately?

So receiving favors from a trafficked individual leaves poor Kraft as just another victim? Got it.

Yes….consensual. And there were something like 25 women “employed’ at the place. They all came from China and somehow mustered the influence and resources to attain their “freedom” to move to America. Modern day Eddie Murphys. They also lived in the back room of the parlor which was frequented by a number of high profile clients despite being located in a seedy strip mall. That must have been their dream….get out of China so they could live in the back of a strip mall and eat cat food. Thank God they saved up the money to afford this. Too bad that none of the women that had been so resourceful before leaving China could maintain that set of capabilities enough to afford an apartment….or a pizza, It was investigated as human trafficking but that was silly. These women clearly wanted to move to a strip mall in Florida. It was their dream. The trafficking part of the investigation was shut down quickly and I’m sure it wasn’t due to the influence of any of the clientele.

Kraft is a pervert and Watson is a superperv and beyond. Kraft may not have caused the same harm as Watson but they both behaved inappropriately with women in a similar way. The resident Pats fan says there is no comparison which is, of course, a joke.

Because owning your favorite team doesn’t mean he’s not a pervert?

God forbid someone saying something positive about a high effort guy putting his best foot forward to try to contribute. Everyone should realize, like you do, that 2022 is just like the Jauron era.

At first I thought this post was about Baker’s Cheesecake Factory adventures.

Pitchers don’t get hit? Shirley.

Is Duck Dodgers still ahead of Josh or do retired guys not count.

Just like Cleveland’s QB’s.