Mister Defense

Great response. They take their ridiculous position on Lynch and consider it valid because other yahoos support them--but there is nothing logical about getting rid of one of your best players, and a 24 year old, for a 3rd round pick. Shame on their ignorance for continuing to call for this, attempting to eliminate a player that has the potential to be a prennial pro bowler and a vital cog in the resurgence of this offense. Stupid is as stupid does...

Really well said. Yeah, and stupid people (sorry, only way to describe them..) keep trying to get rid of Lynch. So, finally we have an area of our team that may be one of the best in the NFL now--and they say we have too much there now, should trade it away. Dumb, dumb, dumb--only way to put it, as they just keep going, like they are bad fantasy football players.

Almost no way that happens, that they go through starter after starter. Most of what he says indicates that Nix believes a major part of the problem with this offense--and this team--has been the lack of consistency and the irrational moves that have not enabled the Bills to field a consistent product. The quarterback (Edwards in my view) will be THE quarterback this year, come hell or high water. And to me, that is a good thing.

Wow, first the absurd, out of place original post and then this... Simply nutty, eh? This yahoo should ask himself the same question above, I think.

A little? And your post is not? NO WAY does this team play that poorly this year. They will be closer to the bottom 5 picks than the top 5. Sorry to disappoint you.

Yeah, sounds like a good reason to cut a quarterback, spiking the ball on a 4th down (remember the game??). With logic like that you only support the poster's comments, are another example of the irrational mentaility of a group of "Throw the bum out" Bills fans. Collins would have been the stable, consistent force at quarterback that we, still, haven't found... Remember the first games he played in his second year, when Kelly was out? He was one of the most poised 2nd year quarterback I had ever seen, leading the Bills to long, sustained drives against Dallas, and standing in the pocket against great pressure. And the next year, leading the Bills to one of the biggest comebacks in NFL history. He was never given a chance here. BUT, he spiked the ball on a 4th down, so good reason to get rid of him? Ridiculous. I don't have the same kind of confidence in Edwards, but he definitely deserves an opportunity, and ditto for Lynch as well. The poster is right--we won't build a good team continuing on the same old path. I think Nix and Gailey, two older guys, are feeling the same way.

Yeah, but unfortunately it is also how the Bills have seemed to make their personnel decisions--running through good players, and so never creating a foundation of players on which to build the team. Trent Edwards had the following statistics in 2008: -an 85.4 rating -65.5% in pass completions And even last year, he completed over 60% of his passes and had a rating of 73.9. Edwards has not proved a failure to this point. He definitely should be able to compete for the starting job, which he will likely win. "Throw the bums out!" I wonder how many of the people calling for Edwards' head are also almost begging the Bills to throw Lynch out as well. (Anyone have some time to research?) Edwards and Lynch have the ability to evolve into high level starters. They may not. But enough of this nonsense, of calling for players' heads until they are booted out of town. I think we have two football guys in Gailey and Nix, finally, who won't be persuaded by irrational fans.

JUMP, Please!

The Bills need playmakers on offense and they took maybe the best offensive player in the draft. IF they also got rid of Lynch then it would be an illoigcal pick--why replace one potentially great running back with another one? Even with the character issues with Lynch, it would be a move that just keeps the Bills spinning their wheels. These are the weaknesses of Spiller listed by http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingRepo...J-Spiller.php): "Does not have the size you'd prefer --- Isn't very physical --- Prefers to bounce everything outside --- Dances too much --- Won't pick up the tough yards --- Not much of a blocker --- Wasn't a workhorse in college and won't be able to carry the load in the NFL --- Durability's a concern. Lynch is the opposite type of runner: has the size, is extremely physical, thrives inside, picks up the tough yards, and is an every down runner, a workhorse. Lynch is the starting back, but Spiller will be on the field a lot as well, with Jackson getting some carries as well. Jackson is almost 30--only a bad team would draft someone like Spiller, not a clear starting running back, and get rid of the workhorse, their beast, giving up on him so soon. Spiller and Lynch will be a great combination, give the Bills one of the best running games in the NFL, one of the most dynamic.

ah! No way do the Bills take Tebow at 9--it would be, by almost anyone's standards, one of the biggest mistakes in the history of the franchise. Shoot, I don't think the Bills would take him if he was available in the THIRD round. A team with great needs would never take a prospect that almost all agree will struggle in the NFL--and one who will probably never pan out. Very unlikely that the guy who started this thread that ignorant--just going after a reaction. After all, we do have mandatory public education in this country.

Read Rooney's comments--Ben isn't going anyhere. Yes, the Bills would grab him instantly. But you don't give up one of the best quarterbacks in the league, and one in his 2os, for almost any reason. And they won't--and should not--for this.

Stop it!!! Stop talking about trading away our our best players on this board!! Maybe someone is actually reading these things and using it as a part of their evidence for making decisions! (Okay, they aren't that stupid--I hope!) Lynch is one of our best players--and may, in the coming years, prove to be the best player on this team. How stupid can people be?? You don't trade away your most talented players.

Yes, I watched that game, was thinking the same thing. They just needed a good quarterback--clearly did not have one in Campbell, did have one in Collins. They, immediately, just as they did when Collins led them to the playoffs, looked like a good team! How could Snyder invest all that money in his team, have something soo valuable (a billion dollars?) and then not see what was right in fronf of his eyes?? I assume he is responsible for Campbell remaining as long as he did as the starter. But, look at some the responses after yours--same old crap! People calling for the Bills to bring in this not-even- backup-caliber-quarterback! Absurd. Maybe they have never seen Campbell play? Maybe they did not notice that whenever Collins replaced him, season or preseason, the Redskins looked like a very good team--after looking hapless with Campbell leading the way. Nix seems like the kind of guy who would want nothing to do with this overpaid, unprepared quarterback who can't read defenses, fumbles, has no touch, and is clearly incapable of leading a team to victories. I bet the same fans calling for Campbell are the same ones who called for Collins' head when he was here--same kind of logic.

That's it... Watch the guy... He doesn't know what he is doing, still looks like a rookie. I was completely shocked when Jim Zorn, a former quarterback who should know better, came in and did not start Todd Collins. For the first time in a looong time, at the end of the previous season the Redskins had looked like a very good team, one with the potential to go all the way. BUT it was only because Collins--and NOT Campbell--was leading the way. I thought the fans would go nuts when he chose Campbell over Collins. Hate cliche, but Campbell can't hold Collins' jockstrap (might fumble it) as far as far as talent and leadership are concerned. I remember watching the Redskins' playoff game and thinking that they now have a quarteback who looks smooth, confident, accurate, with touch, and one his teamates clearly felt could lead them to wins even against playoff caliber teams. In other, words, literally the opposite of how Campbell had looked. NO WAY would Campbell have led that team to the playoffs that year. Even though he is OLD, I would still, with no reservations, take Collins over Campbell. So, that is it for me--the eyes don't usually deceive: Jason Campbell simply has not even looked like a competent backup quarterback, let alone one who could 'win consistently or even occassionally'. Period. Yeah, and I agree with the Fitzpatrick analysis too, that he looks better than Campbell. I don't want him as the starting QB because of his apparent physical limitations, but would feel dramatically more comfortable with him as the backup than Campbell. Campbell looks like an unprepared backup now, buiding his stats in garbage time or via weak defenses, and that is with most of the reps in practice, with the first team. Could you imagine Campbell coming off the bench!?! Scary proposition.... Say what you want, but watch the guy--he is not a good NFL quarterback, and we would be better off without him.

A lot of money and a pick, a player with potential to actually help this team. Campbell SUCKS--his stats are deceiving; he is a loser as qb, and not merely because he has not had great team--he makes them look bad, worse than they are. NO MORE LOSER QUARTERBACKS! These 'get Campbell' threads (or any similar losing quarterbacks), just makes me think of the 2-14 seasons, with the Vince Ferragamo types brought in, giving us ZERO chance to be a competitive team. Wasting our time, money, draft picks, locker space, and uniform on quarterbacks who aren't good, is the worst thing the Bills can do this offseason, sidetracks us as much as anything else can.

No doubt we need a good quarterback, but what I am saying is that without a good offensive line, a great quarterback will not mean very much--and, just as importantly, will not develop, no matter his talent level. You can also make a simliar list of great quartebacks that matches the one you have here, but have never even been to the Superbowl because they didn't have the base of the team in order, the lines. And you're welcome!

Yeah, I think this is the way to go: build the foundation now. It may not make the Bills a Superbowl team this year, but it will begin the process of moving us in that direction. To me, the rest is secondary now; we should get a receiver, maybe a tight end, and the rest should go to the offensive line and the defensive front 7. We will have two young lines, starting to build depth as well, and, then, in the next few years we could get our skill positions in order. But with better lines, the entire team should begin to look better soon. Build the base--and then get the rest. Because we all know that without great lines, we will never have a great team.

FACT: Vick looks like a washed-up, third string quarterback, at best. OPEN your eyes.

Yes, but come on though, the lines were the dominant factor, especially the defensive line-- I have rarely (if ever) seen the Patriots have no answers like that. I hope the Bills have as much savy as the responders in this thread though, and wait until at least the 4th to go after a qb, if that.

How can anyone argue with this, that the offensive line is the priority now? And the defensive front is not far behind? The Bills will surely just keep spinning their wheels if the lines are not greatly improved this year. Offensive linemen in 2 of the first 3-4 rounds, with the first pick going to that need as well. I believe that Edwards (or Brohm?) can be the quarterback of the future for the Bills, the longterm answer. But, if that does not work out, then the Bills will have a solid foundation on which to build in the next few years. No Jason Campbell!! No Tim Tebow. Invest in the foundation now, the lines. They have been neglected (or, maybe more accurately, bad decisions have been made) for too long. Time to build from the bottom up now. Taking a quarterback with a 1-2 pick or in a trade that costs this team too much, will continue the pattern of illogical grasping for a quarterback that started with the trade for Rob Johnson. Isn't it time to reverse course now and build the base of this team again?

Jason Campbell is a loser quarterback--and, in my view, will never be able to lead a team to any kind of real success. NO chance of him leading a team to the Superbowl. He looks like a rookie: still makes rookie mistakes, holds on to the ball too long, can't seem to read defenses, seems to have no touch on balls over 12 or so yards. Why bring is someone who looks soo bad, who, and I assume many would agree, offers this team almost no chance to either win consistently or to EVER take us to the promised land. It is a loser mentality to want to bring in some yahoo who looks like a college quarterback still. His winning percentage is awful--and if you have watched the Redskins (despite decent looking stats) he is often a HUGE reason that they lose. I think their team has been much better, but that Campbell makes them look like a hapless group with no chance. Let's say no to losers. The Bills have had enough of those since Kelly left.

WHY DO PEOPLE CONTINUE TO, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, SUGGEST WE GET RID OF SOME OUR FEW VERY TALENTED PLAYERS ON THIS TEAM???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? It is as if some didn't learn much in school, don't know how to analyze or evaluate things in a logical way, as in this case... If Lynch does not perform this year--he will, I believe--or if he gets into another major legal crisis, then they'd have a point, but NOT NOW! We wouldn't win a game if some of the more illiogical people on this board made personnel moves for the Bills--and would have no hope for improvement.

I agree, but think Edwards and Brohm should be kept, at least given a chance to compete in camp. Collins still holds the Michigan record for completion percentage, which not coincidentally, was the same percentage he completed when he replaced for ( the much less talented) Campbell a few years ago, 64%. (And which is still is the 2nd best percentage in the history of the Big Ten.) He has little wear on his body, having played mainly in the preseason. Be great to see Collins finally get his chance as a starter, even at his age, and to help restore the team that should have never let him go, the Bills biggest mistake ever. And for all of those who have said to me in the past that if he was so good, he would have been a starter... He was behind the prodigal son in KC--Trent Greene, and then, the Redskins preferred Jason Campbell, not believing their own eyes, refusing to make Collins the starter, though he was the far superior quarterback in practice, preeason, and in regular season (and playoff) games. How many coaches could have saved their jobs if they had just believed their own eyes?

No indication of this whatsoever in his career; just throw out garbage, hope there are more stupid people out there too?

Well, they drafted him... Yeah, and so signed him. Getting rid of Collins was, in my view, the most detrimental move this organization has made since I have been watching in the late 70's: --He was never given a chance, a legitimate opportunity. (Probably some of the same wild eyed Bills fans who want to get rid of Lynch, Edwards. Williams... are the same ones who wanted Collins out: throw the bums out!) --The Bills let JIM KELLY go because they had so much confidence in Collins --It started a loooong line of inadequate quarterbacks for the Bills that persists to this day, one after another, that has made the Bills, again, one of the least successful teams in the NFL for the last decade plus --Those quarterbacks, none of them working out, have cost us a huge cache of high draft picks and money that could have been used to strengthen the Bills. Shoot, the picks given up for Rob Johnson alone (while Collins, 25?, was still on team) is almost in itself a reason to call the move to get rid of Collins one of the worst of all time. And then, consider all of the waste that has continued, from Johnson to Bledsoe to Losman to (maybe) Edwards. --Those picks and money would have enabled this team, with strong quarterback play by Collins, to be a much more solid team, in my view, a perennial playoff team still, if the other personnel moves were decent. I first saw Collins in a game at Rich stadium during his second year, when Kelly was out, looking like one of the most poised young quarterbacks I could recall ever seeing--standing in pocket with extreme pressure, leading the Bills to a victory, running the show like a seasoned veteran. Then, the first year he was a starter, being hung out to dry, replaced by ALEX VAN PELT, even after showing he could be very good, leading the Bills to one of the their best comebacks ever, again, looking like a much more experience quarterback than he was. The offense--the organization, direction, play calling--was horrible that year, and Collins was the scapegoat for dan henning's (?) atrocious year. Rob Johnson would then replace Todd Collins. Collins, in my view, would still be starting for the Bills, should be, and we would be a dramatically better team--with the quarterback we need, and all of the wasted picks and money on chump quarterbacks, that could've been used productively. The Redskins only real success in the last decade has been when Collins, because of an injury to Campbell, was starting. The Redskins, too, as foolish as the Bills, giving a chump one chance after another when they have had the quarterback all along who could've led them to the promised land.