Mister Defense

Okay, but you said extremely harsh, direct--and undermining-- things about Cooper with nothing at all to back them up, including saying his other teams couldn't wait to get rid of him, and questioning his passion for the game. To me, that is a "false narrative" and it is being 'spread' on a public forum. In the link you provide, now, there is one man questioning his passion, and indications that originated by Jon Gruden, not known as a man of integrity or character himself. And no evidence, details at all to show the lack of passion. As you know, some people now, unfortunately, see anything in print, or in the media, and accept it as fact, gospel. I will continue to call BS when people go after Bills, defining them without support. You should take it easy, and don't be so quick to condemn a player, a man, as this is an entertainment forum. My parents did not name me Mister Defense for nothing.

The Browns have likely saved their season with this move. Now Dorsey is not only preparing the team during the weak, implementing the schemes and plays that Stefanski has mainly made, but will now call the plays during the game. And make the in game changes that are his forte... With Dorsey in complete control of the Cleveland offense, would anyone be surprised only good things will happen from this point forward for the Browns' offense now? I predict within 2-3 weeks Dorsey will start to being the talk of the NFL, and the head coaching talk will begin. I still cannot believe the Bills let that offensive genius go--and replaced him with Brady!!

Hello Mr. Dog, Just curious to find out when the information requested about your OP will be forthcoming? I will repeat some of my questions from my posts here, and then check to find out what your responses are. This may really help to clarify things for me and others. Define "extreme passion for football" for us, please. What does that mean, in concrete, specific terms? What are the specific criteria you use to determine a player's "extreme passion for football"? How do you differentiate between passion for football and extreme passion? Then, please use your criteria to clearly show us why Amari Cooper does not have this trait. As part of this, please let us know what you found out in your research to prove your emphatic statement, that Cooper "just happens to be good at running routes and catching footballs". Did you find out that he was born with those specific football traits, rather than do what most great athletes, passionate about their sport do, which is work their kiesters off, consistently, to get these skills? Let us know, please. Then, please really elaborate on your point that "teams couldn't wait to get rid of him". What evidence do you have to support this statement that indicates Cooper was not just traded for the usual reasons, but, instead, for that extremely negative reason--they wanted Cooper out of there so badly they could not wait to cut bait with this albatross on their team. Looking forward to your response, evidence, details. Some extremely harsh criticisms of our new 5 time Pro Bowl wide receiver, someone who in his first game as a Bil, after being in Buffalo only a few days, caught 4 passes for 66 yards and a touchdown. And who clearly opened things up for the other Bills' receivers, including our new prized rookie, Keon Coleman, who had his best day as a pro, with 125 yards, and was just named NFL's Rookie of the Week. Looking forward to finally finding out more about your criteria for your evaluation and finally viewing the evidence, details you have to support these very negative conclusions about Amari Cooper. Since I read your post I have been very concerned about the Cooper trade, think the Bills likely made a horrible mistake. Your answers, only enhancing your creative OP, will likely help me and others understand more about this albatross we may now have on our hands. Thanks in advance. Best Wishes, Mister Defense

Yes, and you ask several rational questions about this, but you are asking them as if the folks you are asking are rational thinkers, objective. Like I have said before, within a few weeks of the Bills winning the Super Bowl, most of these same people will be at it again. I think that is guaranteed. A possible first question they will ask, once they give it a few days, a week?: "Can the Bills ever be considered great if they win one Super Bowl with Josh? And next year..."

Yeah, it is the kind of comment by the OP, vague, no definition of what that 'extreme passion' means, no criteria stated for that trait--and ZERO actual evidence, facts, on why Cooper does not have that mysterious quality Mr. Dog so desires. Add it all up and it just a smear job on Cooper, clearly. Pretty shameful to lambast our new 5 time Pro Bowl receiver, pulling things out of one's kiester--and presenting them as facts and analysis.

Thanks, as when I hear the hate from poster like this, I often don't know if it is a pattern, often forget who the haters are, and their clear pattern of irrational nonsense, the pissing in the cereal. But ironically, if truly a Bills fan, and I really doubt it for many of the haters, pissing in their own cereal! Yuk! Who would do that!?

No, it is not a legitimate question, asked as if there's some nefarious reason for this being his fourth team, as ridiculous as the comment in the OP that 'teams couldn't wait to get rid of him''--and clearly seems to be supporting that nonsense. We see this in the media sometime, throwing out these loaded negative 'questions', and so spreading nonsense by 'simply asking a question'.

I agree completely and hard to imagine almost every Bills' fan not doing the same. A great fit, and in many ways. And a leader of men by example, like all true leaders. Why get rid of Cooper next year, force the team to use an early round draft pick on a receiver, rather than a defensive end or another need, on a crapshoot, as almost all players are that, even highly regarded ones coming into the draft. Even the most highly regarded receivers in this year's draft, Harrison and Rome Odunze, are not lighting their teams on fire so far. The Bills do not want to wait for a new receiver to develop, they want to win now, and next year and... I think Allen should go to Beane and indicate he will give the team a hometown discount, and not break the bank, not want to be the highest paid player of all time, though he should be. (Let Dak Prescott and the non competitive teams he has and will have, be that poster boy for the NFL.) I think Josh will settle for just 50 million or so a year, knowing that Bills' fans will always be there to help him out if needs money for milk, eggs, bread if that need arises. Before the season ends, if all goes as planned, Cooper will be signed for the next 2-3 years, if the Bills are smart.

Well said, but I think leaders come in all shapes and sizes--and demeanors. From all I read about Cooper, he is a true professional, has very high character, and is extremely dedicated to his craft. I believe, even if it is just by being around him, watching him on the field and off, a player like Coleman will learn more from him than anyone else on the team. And knowing Coleman, someone equally serious about football (don't let his good sense of humor fool you) and dedicated to his craft, will pick Cooper's brain like crazy, eager to learn as much as he can. And I have no doubt Cooper will provide him with all he asks for, consistently. Like I said in my first sentence, leaders are not all the same. They are not all people who 'fire up' others, and make a show of it. Leaders make the people around them better, stronger, more confident. It seems to me that Cooper will be that kind of leader for the young receivers on this team. We will see...

Thanks, but same idea--the team getting rid of the guy. I remember Lofton always on the sidelines there, just standing there, almost never used. Big mistake, but not surprising--the raiders. I am sure that this fact did not escape the raider fans when the washed up, sideline statue Lofton burned them for 113 yards and two TDs in the Bills' first AFC championship game at the Ralph.

Good point and analysis in your last paragraph. I think most Bills' fans watching the game on Sunday would agree. We saw the passing game open up, with great consistency and big plays throughout the last three quarters, the type of dangerous passing game we have not seen much of this season. And players like Kincaid and Coleman making big down the field plays that will likely change the nature of this offense going forward. To me, having a 5 time Pro Bowler like Cooper there opened these things up for the offense, made them possible. And this happened a few days after Cooper got to Buffalo, in the middle of the season. And as teams realize that Cooper is still the player he has always been, and still the player he was just last year when he earned his 5th Pro Bowl, they will need to double team him more and more, opening things up for the others more as the season progresses. The biggest weakness on offense so far this season, receivers not getting open consistently, will become one of the Bills' most important strengths. Look out if this happens.. And Cooper will likely be the catalyst. Imagine the possibilities going forward, once Cooper actually learns the offense, and as the Bills understand more and more just how consistent--and explosive--these weapons can be. In addition, I think Coleman especially will learn a great deal from Cooper, especially the skills needed to get open consistently. But I really disagree with your first sentence! The OP said "teams couldn't wait to get rid of him", one of the most loaded BS things I have heard said about a BILLS' player on this board, as it is pure nonsense, with zero support for the irrational hate comment. Surprised that you somehow lend credence to that, in part, by saying that Lofton was not a star player anymore when traded, as the Bills and 3 AFC Championships after he arrived would disagree. And then somehow discounting Moss in this 'Cooper has been traded too many times, so teams couldn't wait to get rid of him' nonsense, by stating that Moss was a 'malcontent'. Seems silly to accept and support such a loaded, biased unsupported point in the OP using those two examples, VW. And while I agree that Cooper may not reach the Pro Bowl again--too many weapons on this offense--I think his presence on this team will mean other Bills' players will do so now in the coming years. With Cooper leading the way, quietly, unassuming, but with great dedication and passion to the sport and the Bills.

Okay, but I think even at 30 he will be a star on this talented team, with by far the best quarterback he has ever played with in his life. We are all about to find out if this is true... I really think the OP's detail about being traded twice is irrelevant, silly actually. And means nothing. James Lofton and Randy Moss were also both traded twice in their prime. I think you'll agree, by anyone's standards, they were super stars in this league, Hall of Famers. Let's hope that Cooper can provide the Bills with an integral piece of the puzzle, just like Lofton did when he arrived here--at 33. I think he can. I think he will. And that this will be Cooper's last stop, a home for him where he fits in well. And so the Bills will sign him to a 2-3 year extension by the end of the season.

Well, Cooper is a 5 time Pro Bowler, including just last season. I think one can make the case that makes him a great player, a star even. What current receiver has played in 5 or more Pro Bowls? Tyreek Hill, Davante Adams, Evans, Hopkins-- any others? Likely missing a few, but seems a 5 time Pro Bowler means he is better than good, VW, don't you think? He will also almost assuredly end his career in the top 20 all time in yards. I think you have the same kind of unique and unrealistic standards as the OP when it comes to Cooper. And what it means to be a "star" in the NFL. For me, 5 time Pro Bowl players are that.

Did you notice any extreme passion though? Did Cooper jump up and down a lot and high five other players, onlookers or water boys, for example? As this way he would prove to everyone just how passionate he was. Did he do any good dances or celebrations after a successful run? Did he embrace the football as if it was a loved one? Kiss it, right on the laces? I think those are the kinds of things that would make Cooper worthy of the original poster's unique label, demonstrating his 'extreme passion for football'. If not, we have made a big mistake...

I don't get it, why so many hate posts, created out of thin air, with a bunch of nonsense and attacks, with zero, zilch to back up the trashing of a player or coaches? Here, Mr. Dog bashes our brand new 5 time Pro Bowl wide receiver, with NOTHING to back up extremely harsh, over the top nonsensical conclusions. 3 cases in point: 1. Let me address the first phrase I put in bold in the OP above. Mr. Dog says: "He may not have an extreme passion for football; he just happens to be good at running routes and catching footballs..." (emphasis added by me) Huh? "Does not have an "extreme passion" for football-? What exactly does that mean? How extreme do you think it should be? And what are your criteria for determining the extent of a player's "extreme passion for football"? Why no evidence presented, zero, zlich, that Amari Cooper does not have this hyperbolic trait, the "extreme passion"? From the Bleacher Report, some quotes from long time coaches who knew him very well in college: "Work ethic Kynon Codrington worked on Saban’s Dolphins staff during the 2004 season and has since covered recruiting in that area, most recently for Bleacher Report. When Mario Cristobal took Alabama’s offensive line coach job in February of 2013, Codrington texted the former FIU coach congratulations after he had gotten settled down. Cristobal told Codrington that Cooper was the hardest working player he’s been around." And from his college coach, Nick Saban: "He's just a really good person as well as a very, very good competitor.” So from two coaches who knew him very well, the "hardest working player he's ever been around" and "very, very good competitor", that from a decent coach, Nick Saban. Mr. Dog, can you define "extreme passion" and give us your personal measuring tools for assessing this trait? When a loong time fairly respected coach and scout says Amari Cooper is the hardest working player he has ever known, and another emphasizes his special competitive nature, does that now satisfy your definition of 'extreme passion'? Does it meet your high standard? Doesn't an extremely good work ethic and being extremely competitive, do that for you? Dog, Do you think there is a possibility that maybe Cooper did not just have an innate ability to run and catch, as you suggest? Is there a chance that he did not just wake up one day and find out, from out of nowhere, that he "just happens to be good at running routes and catching footballs"? Instead, for you is there an outside chance that Amari Cooper applied his superior work ethic, very competitive nature and high character to get better and better and better... until he was one of the best receivers in college and then in the NFL? I know it would destroy your own OP, but do you think that is a possibility? And that maybe that shows the passion you imply Cooper does not have? 2. Mr. Dog says. "teams couldn't wait to get rid of him" Huh? Can you back that extremely strong statement up with any evidence that teams really disliked him and "couldn't wait to get rid of him"? Don't you think right now, (and since he has left), jerry jones would love a high level character guy and excellent worker like Amari Copper back on his team, a great route runner and separator, always there to give Prescott a good, clean very reliable option to throw the ball to? Do you think that a team that is as lacking in character and discipline and work ethic as the cowboys, with every man for himself, would be much better off with a man and player like Cooper on their very dysfunctional team? I do. But a player like cooper does not fit in well with jerry's guys. I say that is a huge mark in Cooper's favor, and, again, zero evidence to back up your ridiculous hate statement. And as far as Cleveland goes? They are done for the year, and likely for several years, and when teams are in that position they often trade good players, especially ones 30+, in order to get draft capital to rebuild their team. I assume you did not know this fact? And again, no support for the nasty, unsupported definitive statement you make. 3. And Mr. Dog's last sentence, his summation of all the great evidence and related sharp analysis he has provided in the post: "I'd be very cautious about giving him big money." Because Mr. Dog believes Cooper does not have the "extreme passion", a point that he does not support at all, but considers an essential trait, and "teams couldn't wait to get rid of him", here again, with no evidence to support that, he believes he has made a very good case that the Bills should not consider signing this great player to an extension. I think I am as critical as anyone when the team makes mistakes in players or coaches etcetera, though I can also be a homer too, like most of us, but I base my points on facts, evidence, not hate and completely biased irrational analysis.

In keeping with the logic of the OP, why not hire Daboll as the head coach, and then re-hire Dorsey as the offensive coordinator? A reunion of sorts! Sure, then we would have the two coaches who currently have the 29th and 31st worst offenses in the NFL right now as our team leaders. But anything is better than McDermott and Brady, obviously. Dorsey never got a fair shake here and was clearly far superior to Brady. He has since shown just what he is capable of doing as an OC in Cleveland. He is moving quickly toward his potential, showcasing his offensive mind and work ethic for all to see. Just as was so clear with the Bills, notice how much the Cleveland offense improves from week to week, and so how much better they are now than just 7 weeks ago. And both coaches will likely be available very soon, or at the latest, after the season ends. And with no one there to bully poor Dabol into running the ball, and ditto for Dorsey, the term and use of complimentary football will be stricken from all Bills media, messaging, and offenses forever more. Win, win, win.

Hmmm, let’s see how the facts break down to understand why this is one of the most ludicrous OPs I have ever seen on this board…. A few hours after the Bills beat the Titans, 34-10…. With the Bills earning 389 yards of offense… With Keon Coleman having his breakout game, with 125 receiving yards… And Coleman now with the 3rd most receiving yards in the 2024 rookie class, with 326, more than Marvin Harrison Jr, Rome Odunze, Ladd McConkey, Xavier Worthy… As their brand new weapon, Amari Cooper, is looking like he has been with the team for a month, not just a few days, earning 66 yards and a TD, and clearly adding a missing dimension to the offense, as he opens up things across the field for other receivers… And right after the Bills just totally dominated on offense after a slow start, scoring 34 points against the best defense in the NFL… With Brady now going 11-3 since he became our OC, in the middle of last season, when he immediately turned around a moribund offense, turning the offense and team into a legitimate championship contender over night… While at the same time… Brian Daboll’s Giants, showed, yet again, why they are clearly one of the worst offenses in the NFL, scoring 3 points against the Eagles, earning a total of 119 yards… And with the Bills averaging over 28 points a game this season, 5th in the league, and the Giants averaging half that amount, at 14 points per game, 31st in the league… With all these clear facts, many extremely fresh in his head, somehow a Bills’ ‘fan’ is likely thinking, “Wow, maybe it is time (again) to get rid of Brady, and bring Daboll back, as clearly this Brady experiment is not working. And Daboll is showing just how good he is, what we could have now”, just a few hours after the Bills’ offense has its way with one of the best defenses in the NFL. I have been on this board for about 30 years, and so have seen thousands of topics posted and questions asked. But I have rarely seen a post or question as nonsensical, bizarre, and void of reason as this one. It is as if all facts and reality have deserted the OP.

1st and 2nd or 1st and a 3rd. Do they need a tight end? We have a starting caliber one we hardly ever use for some reason.. Worth it, though I would rather have Crosby probably. The one thing the Bills have not had under McDermott is a dominant defensive lineman, pass rusher, a la Bruce Smith. Imagine what that does for this extremely well coached defense? Like someone said on this forum recently, the main difference between the Bills and the Chiefs has been Chris Jones. So, if that is the case, and it very well could be, how much is too much? Josh should not break the team's bank this year or next, but settle for less. He wants a Super Bowl, or 8, and he could get by on 40-50 million a year. If not, he knows the fans will start Go Fund me pages and such if he ever needs money for milk, bread, eggs, TP--we won't let him starve or have an itchy kiester.

I think it really started going downhill once they hired Kyle Brandt and Peter Schrager. Brandt just yells and yells and thinks hype replaces knowledge, good details and good, original analysis. While Schrager is a fan boy, surprisingly never moving on from his name dropping, over and over, star struck personality, still almost shocked that he gets to meet and be around high profile NFL players and personalities. And he lets us know it directly every time. You have to figure both men are not respected by the real announcers and football people. They tend to show this when the two men are included in their shows. Too annoying and not any real substance there, and the only professional seems to be Jamie Erdahl. I just tape and watch NFL Live in the morning when I want some am football.

Whatever you think of Watson, that is a powerful statement by his teammate, and we are hearing some similar statements by his teammates. At least as a teammate, he seems to have garnered a lot of respect, as we know these kinds of comments are not too common.

So, if the season were to end today, you would fire Brady?

Maybe look at the facts, and don't let your emotion get in the way of those. I am guessing from previous posts though, someone who does not do that much in football or .... We see how many morons in the country are accepting outlandish 'theories' for facts, and the danger of that--you don't want to go there, or, stay there?

Poor Cleveland, as they have likely lost all hope now that Watson is likely out for the season. A devastating loss, when everything was coming together so nicely for them on offense. And when dorsey was clearly hitting his stride, showing exactly what he could do a coordinator. Should we get some kind of fund established for the fans, Watson? Dorsey?

yeah, that does not diminish the ridiculous content of the OP, just more of the same nonsense--why would this be at the forefront, or wayback, of anyone's mind after today's game? And after the Bills have gone 11-3 since Brady took over an offense that looked dead in the water--and turned it around immediately? Bizarre. Nonsensical. Assuming if I go back and read some previous posts of the OP I would find out why he wanted to post such nonsense tonight. And why after the Bills move to 5-2, with all aspects of the team coming together, playing great complimentary football (and I am betting the OP hates that term too..?).

Umm, does anyone else think the OP is monumentally bad timing? Posted right after the Bills scored 34 points, with their offense clearly rounding into shape, and the addition of Cooper already paying big dividends? And I would say this is not something real, not an option, as Daboll and McDermott do not seem to like each other.