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It's also entirely possible that the Bills are willing to give EJ 3 full years, like most every other team does with their young QB's.
One can only hope.
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Sounds like the deal Saint Ralph had with Erie County for the stadium he named after himself
It wasn't his stadium to name. The county named the stadium after him.
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Luck, because of his youth.
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I think he is referring per capita. Bills are 29th-30th in revenue annually according to forbes but they also pull in the 3rd most money per fan.
Forbes' overall ranking is by Operating Income, but for Gross Revenue, the Bills ahead of Oakland, Minnesota, St Louis, Kansas City, Detroit, San Diego, Cincinnati, Atlanta, Arizona, and San Francisco.
http://www.forbes.com/nfl-valuations/list/#page:1_sort:5_direction:asc_search:
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I guess my posts are a bit long so as to encourage intelligent and insightful responses - like yours.
It's difficult to read on a computer screen, that's all.
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The full quotes from this are not nearly as bad as the Tim Graham article makes them out to be. Good on TG to pick specific quotes out of context to stir up Buffalo faithful.
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Sidebar here: I LOVED the way Pete Rozelle used to announce some of the big picks. He'd first say the position, and then give just the slightest pause, before announcing the name. It made that last second of suspense go off the charts.
How about the national media firestorm if the consensus #1 pick (and the best prospect in a generation) told the team with the top pick "Don't draft me, I won't play for you", AND had a contract offer from the Yankees to go play baseball? In this day and age of media, the Elway story would have been unlike anything we've ever seen.
Truly.
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i completely understand it. And I would probably do the same in his position.
But what it comes down to is this, football (or any sport for that matter) has no inherent value at all. It is simply entertainment. And in the case of the the NFL in the US, an amazingly profitable form of entertainment. Limiting press access, while undoubtedly a good thing regarding football itself, would seem counterproductive when considering press coverage equals free advertising.
Which the Browns (and the NFL) are still receiving - it's not like they aren't talking about them.
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And this board would have bitched that we reached for him when Kenny O'Brien and Tony Eason were available, and why didn't we trade our two #1 picks to move up and get Todd Blackledge?
Could you imagine the reaction if one of Whaley's top two picks chose to not sign with Buffalo? It would be full-on meltdown.
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You said structures can be built without foundations as part of your analogy, I was simply pointing out that huge structures are often created without a roof as well, and certainly don't require a roof. I hardly see how your point is reinforced, or has legs to stand on...but I'm glad you're happy.
It's Friday afternoon and quittin' time - of course I'm happy. Have an awesome weekend Turbo! Go Bills!
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I sure hope the roof wasn't keeping this structure intact.
Of course any football stadium can be built without a roof at all.
The Metrodome was supported by air, not roof trusses as I mentioned. And I think you just reiterated my point for me. Thanks!
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Are you guys kidding? Unless they go 3-13 and the locker room is a complete disaster there is no chance this staff is fired after two years.
Agreed, with the caveat a new owner doesn't start bringing "his guys" in.
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I can accept that. I don't fully understand it. I don't really know enough to dispute that claim, but that rarely stops me from continuing an argument. In this case, however, I'll stop. But if you tell anyone that I conceded, I will deny everything.
Apology accepted.
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Pitching isn't throwing a football, unless your son takes a 7 step drop and maneuvers around the mound avoiding umpires and base runners who want to hug him.
I take exception with Campy's claim that the arm motion is most important in executing a throw. Where does the act begin? Great arm mechanics cannot overcome poor footwork.
Assuming we're speaking about somebody with a modicum of athletic ability, you're right, great arm mechanics can't overcome poor footwork but great arm mechanics doesn't have to. It improves footwork.
No offense, but if I refuse to step foot in any of your houses.
Well played!
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Feel free to add to the list, but here is a Sparks Notes version of why the Bills are staying put (in no particular order):
1. The Lease
2. The tradition of an AFL original
3. Intensely loyal, blue collar, and rabid fans that provide a college atmosphere.
4. The Commish is from WNY and he did admit to Berman that he is a Bills fan.
5. We can debate their worth, but having the politicos (Cuomo, Schumer, etc) on our side doesn't hurt.
6. Multiple options for a new stadium
7. Recent (current) renovations to RSW
8. Guys like Kraft have gone on record saying they want to keep the Bills in WNY
9. The Bills "unofficial" market, stretching east past Rochester to Syracuse, north and west into Ontario, and south to Erie, is Fuccillo huuuge.
10. There are people with Bflo ties who are monied.
11. The Buffalo Fan Alliance can't save the team on its own, but it does send a message about us, doesn't it?
12. ?
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Here's a bold idea...stick with EJ.
What ^he^ said.
I'm right about some things and wrong about others (just like you guys), but I really think this will be the season EJ starts to make some major steps toward solidifying his position.
Prove me right, EJ!
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Just like the roof is the most important part of a structure.
Rapier-like wit aside, you're actually not too far off in your not terribly analogous analogy. A structure can be built on bare ground with no foundation, but it is the roof trusses that hold the walls up and keeps the structure intact.
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Not true at all. I'm surprised by this comment. You throw off your back foot, the ball is gonna sail. You don't have proper lower body mechanics, you're gonna be inaccurate. Can't launch rockets from unstable platforms. It ALL starts with establishing a proper base and footwork is key.
GO BILLS!!!
I follow what you're saying, and I'm not arguing against it, only trying to clarify/expand upon.
What I learned (and am probably not communicating very well) is that when the arm hits that neutral position, it's very difficult to not have established a proper base, to not turn your hips, and to not properly step into the throw because the lower body instinctively does so as you move through the neutral position.
That's not to say you can't throw off your back foot when moving through neutral, only that it is very difficult to do and feels unnatural. In other words, instead of focussing on ten different things when throwing, focus on the arm achieving neutral position halfway through and the rest will follow.
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So you are an expert in the field, just from having an injury? Or did you stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night?
Interesting you should ask. I'm no expert, but I did learn from one. And by my estimation, he has about 10+ more years worth of knowledge and experience than anybody on this board. And here's a little more of his knowledge getting dropped:
Throws aren't made using feet, therefore, the arm's motion is what's most important. Once the arm is hitting that neutral position halfway through a throw, the throwing motion is fluid and the feet take care of themselves instinctively since the lower body will no longer have to make dramatic adjustments to maintain stability and/or compensate for less power.
And please accept my apologies in advance for not arguing or debating it with anyone. The simple reality is that, on this topic, I value the opinion of the guy who coached throwing for a living and has nearly a dozen years of credibility behind him more than I do any poster's.
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Yeah, but the naysayers are throwing around terms such as "viper coil," "pronate," and "biomechanics," so it must be true that EJ sucks, right? It's just the bunch that wants to hang on to future draft picks like a squirrel stuffing acorns in its cheeks before the winter. They are bitter that the Bills would actually try to support their QB with some weapons.
F that. He's our QB and that's not going to change for a while. Go Bills!
As somebody who referred to biomechanics in a post and responded to another that included viper coil, pronate, and supinate, don't assume that I am a naysayer.
In fact, I'm about as far from being a naysayer as it gets. I've wanted EJ to be a part of this team since he was in 9th grade and told me he was a Bills fan.
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It's not a made-up term...it simply refers to keeping the upper body compact and still (coiled) prior to the strike (throw), but thanks for the tip. Not that you should care about my credentials, but I can assure you that the world of physics is no mystery to me. What you described with his throwing motion was an inefficiency due to his elbow and wrist position (pronating and supinating), and yes, you did imply that it was a big deal by saying this:
Throwing a lot of floaters in the NFL is not a small things...fortunately, you over-stated it and he doesn't do what you're claiming he does as often as you seem to imply he does it.
I also find it interesting that you somehow believe that biomechanics are telling you something that they aren't telling the rest of us...I'm not so sure you're as on target with your assessment as you believe you are, but hey, I tend to just make stuff up apparently.
Don't forget your mic this time.
We can agree to disagree, it's cool.
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While most of the generalities that you're saying regarding throwing motion are true, I actually don't find many flaws with EJ's upper body mechanics. His tendency to over-pronate and under-supinate is more rare than you're leading on here, and is far less of a concern to me than his lower body. I actually find his viper coil and release to be extremely efficient (not Brees or Rodgers efficient, but hey, he's a rookie); his long stride and shuffling of his feet are--IMO--the biggest deficiency.
All QBs pronate or supinate intentionally as the situation calls for it. It's not that big of a deal not did I imply it was, but it does rob power from throws. It's why a breaking pitch isn't as fast as a fastball - simple physics at work.
Those "generalities" I referred to discuss the bio-mechanically correct and incorrect way to throw an object with maximum power and accuracy. And while you may not see flaws, bio-mechanics tells us what you're not seeing: his elbow is too high halfway through the throwing motion. And once that is corrected, the balls will not sail unless he intentionally releases it early to get air under it.
It's simple; there's no need to overcomplicate it with made up terms like "viper coil."
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I won't bore you with the details of my shoulder dislocations, multiple separations, the subsequently shredded ligaments that accompanied them other than to say they are the reasons why I had to be taught to throw all over again. I mean, what good am I to my beer league softball team if I can't make the throw from short to 1st, right?
What I learned leads me to believe that many of you talk about throwing mechanics like you have a clue but don't really know much about it. If you want to correct that - or if you want to learn 'sup with EJ - just read on...
In a proper throwing motion, about halfway through the elbow should be right around a half-foot in front. This ensures your arm is at the correct height and is referred to as the neutral position because there is virtually no stress on the muscles or joints. It's a position where the shoulder and elbow are at their safest and strongest as the elbow, wrist, and ball can continue through the throwing motion on a single plane. This allows for maximum power and maximum accuracy.
When, halfway through the throwing motion, the elbow is not far enough in front it means the arm is too low. And when that happens, the shoulder will seize up a little to prevent too much stress from being placed on it. And since it never achieves the neutral position, the shoulder twists causing the wrist to swing out past the elbow creating a sidearm throwing motion. This type of throwing motion compromises accuracy because the elbow, wrist, and ball are not moving on a single plane. And because the shoulder doesn't achieve neutral position, energy is used to compensate for the twisting in the shoulder instead of propelling the ball forward which compromises power.
If the elbow is too far in front, the arm is too high and, like before, the shoulder never reaches the neutral position. The elbow, wrist and ball move on different planes, and the shoulder never achieves neutral position. Like the sidearm throw, power and accuracy are compromised but it's actually worse because when the arm is too high, the ball has to be released from a higher position - and that means it's being released too soon in the throw and you lose A LOT of power.
Think of playing catch with your 6 year old nephew. Sure, you slow your arm speed, but you probably do more than that because you don't want to drill him with the ball and catch a lot of crap from your otherwise cool sister. Chances are you kind of put some air under it and float it to him so he has a chance to catch it. And whether you realize it or not, what you're actually doing is releasing the ball much earlier in the throw than you otherwise would.
And that's why EJ throws a lot of floaters on intermediate and deeper passes: He's carrying his elbow too high halfway through the throwing motion which robs him of accuracy and power, and he has to compensate for the elbow being too high by releasing it too soon and causing the ball to float or sail.
It could be due to excitement, pressure, tensing up to make a big play, gritting his teeth, whatever, but once he settles down and starts getting his elbow ti hit neutral halfway through the throwing motion (through repetition and muscle memory), sailing and floating those intermediate passes will go away.
And here's the bonus: On short passes his elbow achieves the neutral position, but because his muscle memory has him overcompensating for the lack of power on the intermediate passes, he tends to throw those too-powerful bullets. As he settles in and begins to hit neutral on the longer balls, his touch on shorter balls will improve dramatically.
Or we'll be looking for another QB in a year or two.
*drops mic
*walks off stage
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I think that the NFL would have to change its rules regarding impingement upon a franchise's existing market.
No, it wouldn't.
From the NFL's perspective, Buffalo's market, as recognized by the NFL, stops at the border (I think the reason for that has to do with the management of licensed properties).
Jim Kelly Update Thread: Biopsies Negative, Cancer Free!
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Glad the chemo cycles are done. When does the radiation start?