BillsFan130

First off... If I were to bet, I would bet saying no he doesn't get fired because it was his 1st year BUT... I think it is at least a discussion worth having, and that he will be on thin ice next season. Some stats that are pretty alarming: 29th on 3rd downs Let up the 4th most first downs in the league. 23rd in passing yards allowed and 8th most passing TDS allowed. (Insane compared to years in the past) And in the biggest game of the year against KC with two starters out in the secondary, I believe Joe Marino stated they played man around 44 percent of the time... I am trying not to make this a Sean Mcdermott discussion, as we get it as it is his scheme. But inarguably, the Bills defence outside of turnovers? Was pretty much a disaster this season and Bobby B didn't have many answers. What do you think about Babich going forward?

What I'm trying to say is 9 mil doesn't get you much for a DE. (I think AJ is making 7.5?) Ya that's probably fair. I'm usually not a fan of trading 1st rounders- But if you can get an impact pass rusher in their prime, that would be pretty tempting

Im Not saying hang onto Von. I said cut him. But you can't go into the season with that IMO. You need a significant upgrade at DE 2 as AJ isn't good enough for that I would pick a DE at 30, but can't rely on that for huge impact. Got to sign a top pass rusher or trade for one

Oh for sure, I'm in favour of cutting him 100 percent. My point is- Bills are still going to need to find a better replacement for him as saving 9 mil for a DE who got 6 sacks isn't a ton

Yes- Now In saying that... As mediocre/average Von was, the Bills still have to replace his 6 sacks. Defensive ends ain't cheap, and saving 9 mil isn't as much as we think at the DE position. (Assuming we are bringing in an upgrade)

Fair- But I think a lot of us (including myself), were saying go up to get him at the time, as he has elite traits- And it was a surprise to me that he even made it to the 20s

Ya for sure, we will never know if a trade was realistic for the right price. But... There is a price for everything. If the Bills really wanted BT JR, they could have gotten him 100 percent agreed. I said the exact same thing when the Bills drafted Kincaid. Going big with 12 personnel isn't Josh's strong suit, as he prefers throwing to shifty receivers

That's true. Most likely would have been a 2024 2nd and change. So in hindsight it would have probably been swapping 1sts, cole bishop and Maybe someone like Javon Solomon for Brian Thomas

Yep- Overall Beane has built a good team. But just not enough elite talent. Elam- 3 seasons played Kincaid- 2 Coleman- 1 So 6 seasons in total from those guys From his last 3 first round picks (I know Coleman is technically pick 33), he's only really had 1 productive season out of 6 from those guys. (Kincaid last year) That's the difference right now between overall a very good team he's built, and a Super Bowl team

I'm in no disagreement there- The bills pass rush isn't good enough. But the play calling also sucks- Let me give you two examples from yesterdays game. 4th and 5 the bills have with the game on the line- Spags confuses Josh/Brady. That's 100 percent a scheme win and nothing to do with talent 3rd and 9 for the chiefs which iced the game. Babich is in man coverage. Andy anticipates it, and calls the perfect man beater. Another scheme win with nothing to do with talent. The talent isn't good enough to your point- But Babich always gets out schemed on the money downs

When you're 29th in 3rd downs, it's not just one thing. Its play calling, lack of pass rush, and poor coverage

Yep I agree. And would still have your 3rd round pick this year, as they probably wouldn’t have had to trade for Cooper

Thomas was picked at 23, Bills were at 28. So would have had to move to 20-22 to get him Thomas had an amazing year. Almost 1300 yards, 10 TDs and is looking like a superstar in the making

Babich was a disaster from the opening game I called him out multiple times and caught a lot of flack for it, but the guy got out coached time after time. 29th on 3rd downs- Just not good enough

I don't like the scheme to your point, but I think it's mostly lack of talent on the D line. Von in 2022 was ripping it before he tore his ACL.

Worst part is: They trade up for Elam and Kincaid... But they don't trade up for a guy like Brian Thomas. If Coleman flames out, gonna set this team back big time. As you can't have 3 first round busts in a row.

Fair but Benford and Douglas are much better zone corners. Then you're asking them to play man coverage in the highest stakes- Seems counter intuitive to me

I know they weren't- Which exactly speaks to the issue. They build and conduct a heavy zone team all year- But in the playoffs they change to man cause you have to against the great QBs. That should tell you everything you need to know about how flawed their system is

My solution isn't to fire McDermott- But I would hire an outside DC to change this defence. This undersized/heavy zone scheme just doesn't hold up in the big games against KC

Get Trey Hendrickson Instead of signing under performing guys like Samuel, epenesa, D jones that cost 7-10 mil each... Give that money to a stud pass rusher in Hendrickson and figure out the rest. Edit: I thought he was a UFA but still has one more year- Would definitely explore a trade if the price was right though . (Although I doubt Cinci would give him up)

I think where we disagree is you're looking at it at a micro/situational view, and I'm looking it as a macro view. All good, we’ll agree to disagree. Appreciate the respectful discussion👍

Unconditional love is the answer. As painful as it can be

Can you repeat that one more time as I didn't catch it😅

Fair enough- It sounds like you have low expectations for our defence (which is fair), and you wanted our offence to overcome that. Dont even disagree with that- But at some point if the bills are gonna get to a Super Bowl, gonna have to hold KC to under 30 IMO

Good rookie season, huge disappointment this year. I thought he was supposed to be known for his hands..