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Im More referring to play calling/game plans. Because the scheme is McDermotts. I think there's blame for execution and for the play calling and it's rarely just one thing

So the bills defence is that bad, that we need to score 30 plus points every playoff game against elite defences? Thats just an unrealistic expectation. Got to win ugly sometimes. Chiefs won the championship game last year 17-10- And to my knowledge, this is the first time they scored 30 in a playoff game in years

Bills offence wasn't perfect, but at the end of the day they scored 29 points on the road against a good defence. That should be enough. Where does the line end- If the bills are Losing 48-45 but they don't score on the last drive of the game, is that still the offences fault? Or does the defence need to make more stops earlier in the game?

I agree. I do think a lot of help is coming. I wouldn't be surprised if the bills first 3 round draft picks (in no particular order) are DE, DT and CB. Almost 100 percent chance they will invest in some mid tier veterans as well

Play calling. Babich calls the plays which of course will have an impact on the results of the defence . It's not like a Matt Nagy situation in KC where Nagy is the OC , but doesn't call the plays

I should have worded it better- i do think it's very realistic he can lose his job before the 2025 season ends. (Like mid way through) But no I don't think he will get fired before the season starts, although I'm not ruling it out Ya this is pretty much where I stand- If they start off slow, could be another Ken Dorsey situation where he's fired after a year and a half

In my opening post: "I'm not trying to make this a Sean McDermott discussion as we all get it's his scheme". About 15 posts in this thread: "it's Sean McDermotts defence!"🤦‍♂️

No disagreement there. I was calling for that after the Rams game

Say what you want about Leslie in the playoffs, as he was a disaster. But in the regular season, he produced 10x better results than Babich has. Babich was lost since week 1 and never found answers, outside of a few games

Well said

The offence over performed though. Not the defence

I just think if the bills add in a bunch of defensive help (which I think they will) and if they continue to struggle in the 1st half of the season, then McDermott will start to get impatient. (Kind of like with Dorsey as he only lasted a year and a half) I'm not saying it's all of babichs fault as there are definitely personnel issues- But the results weren't pretty this year and it needs to get better in a hurry

Ya I don't think so either. But I do think he will be on thin ice if the defence sucks the first 4-8 games or so next year

I 100 percent agree. Especially with the coverage issue. The d line sucks- but sometimes they also have no chance as the ball is out so fast cause WRs are running wide open

I'm more calling for a scheme change- Whether it is Frazier, McDermott or Babich, this defence crumbles in the playoffs . They aren't going to change the scheme and keep Babich Which is what I'm trying to say- As that would be like having a west coast offensive coach and then asking him to run Erhardt-Perkings. Just wouldn't work

Agreed. You know things are bad on defence when we are happy the chiefs went 56 percent on 3rd down this past game haha

I agree. But the only way the scheme will change is if Babich is fired and McDermott decides to hire from the outside. (Which unfortunately I don't think it will happen.

Like for the 3rd down defence? No in total for the season they were 29th on 3rd downs

No disagreement. I would say 2 things: 1. Babich did a poor job of running McDermotts defence 2. I personally would hire an outside mind. This defence needs a new identify/scheme change

I agree with both you guys

Fair- a few posts above I did a comparison from this years talent to last year. I don't think it's that much different to be honest, maybe slightly worse. If you disagree, all good. I just don't think the talent is that much worse than last year, and the drop off was huge in terms of production

Why do you feel like he's done the best? If you summarize the Bills Defence as a whole, by all accounts they were probably in the 17-20 range Where in years past they have been top 5, and if I'm not mistaken I think we're number 1 in one season.

That's fair- But do you think it was that much worse than last year? D line- Slightly worse this year Cause the loss of Floyd. (But Von had a bit more of an impact) Linebackers- I would say better this year with the return of Milano and Dorian taking a step Corners- Call it a wash. Douglas was worse this year, but benford was better Safeties- slightly worse this year or a wash I would say. Rapp is better than 2023 Hyde/poyer. But 2023 Hyde and poyer were better than Hamlin IMO. You could argue the talent is slightly worse this year than last- But a lot of the numbers this year are way worse, which has to speak to somewhat coaching as well

For sure- To be clear, I am not blaming everything on Babich. But I think a lot of the times we like to choose one side:- Like: "It's the players fault". Or "It's the coaches fault" In reality? Usually it is a combination of both That is exactly what I have been calling for as well. I think this defence needs an identity shake up

Haha I know, but like I said, I was trying to keep Mcdermott out of it as theres more to it. Babich does call the plays on defence and deserves critcism- Especially with their 3rd down and pass defence falling off a cliff