BillsFan130

This is a very fair take. I think what @dave mcbride and myself were trying to say previously in this thread was, it's a bit crazy that people think he just straight up "sucks" or is even "mediocre". I think your take on Tua is spot on

Epenesa, and Hamlin also. (Although not big contracts)

Who knows? We literally watched Edmund's play for 5 seasons and Bernard for 2. I don't know how anyone in their right mind wouldn't say Bernard is a better player. Dak signed for 4 years and Josh signed for 6. it's even better for Dak, since he will have another chance to cash in soon and it makes it less team friendly . We witnessed the drought years where bills would have to overpay for guys cause they were an organization with no success. Not the case anymore, which is why we get benford for 17 and a dysfunctional franchise like the jets had to pay 30 for Gardner

Taron Johnson when he signed was the highest or 2nd highest paid slot corner. But I'm not sure why "money" is the only determining factor on how good a player is at their position Dak makes more per year than Josh Allen. From your logic, does that make Dak better ? Tremaine Edmund's makes 18 and Bernard makes what, 11? Do you think Edmunds is better than him? A lot of players on the bills took pretty team friendly deals because the bills have done an outstanding job of building culture, and it's a very attractive place to play, even for less money. If you think Sauce Gardner is 13 million dollars better than Benford, I don't know what to tell you

All those guys I listed are top 5 at their positions. Spencer brown is a top 5 right tackle now, benford is a top 5 corner, Taron is a top 5 slot corner, Tre was a top 3 corner when he signed, Milano was a top 3 OLB when he signed, Dawkins is probably a top 3 left tackle Out of curiosity where do you have cook ranked- You think he's a top 3-5 RB in the league now?

Relative to their positions- Milano, Benford, Tre White (2020 contract), Taron Johnson, Spencer Brown, Josh and Dawkins were all better than cook when they signed their extensions here . Wouldn't you agree with that?

Ya I think you're right. Plus Torrence contract coming up as well

Ya I don't disagree with that. Like I said I think he's good. But I also don't think he's good enough to win on the road in a playoff game . (Like at Buffalo, Baltimore, KC)

I've seen Tua play a lot . And if the bills aren't on or when there are commercials, I'll always put on dolphins games. (Unless they are winning convincingly) In my opinion after seeing him play a lot, he's a pretty good to good quarterback

I understand that. I felt like the context in which the poster used that in was to bash Tua a bit. Or at least undermining his success because the scheme is "good and tailored to him "

He's a good player. But if I were to pay one, I would pay McGovern. Bills have one of the best o lines in the league, and McGovern is the quarterback of that. We could have Barry sanders back there as a weapon, but it wouldn't matter if the o line can't block

I wasn't necessarily referring to you as you never said he sucked. But you kind of did now haha. The scheme argument I can just never understand though. McDaniel put together a scheme for his strengths, yes. Was he supposed to make a scheme for his weaknesses?

Ya I don't get it either. My only guess is a lot of people just watch him play against the Bills and he tends to struggle those games lol. Because I really don't get how you can watch a large sample size from Tua and come away thinking the guy sucks .

Fair-For the record I am not trying to argue that Tua is a great QB. My overall argument is Miami isn't as much as a joke as a lot of us think. Because if their starting QB is healthy , they easily have 10 wins last year IMO and make the playoffs

Bingo

I am not asking this to be condescending as I'm genuinely curious- Do you watch a lot of Miami football? Their offence is completely lost without Tua. It's pretty black and white and I'm sure any advanced stat would back that up Of course every team will take a step back with their backup, but the drop off is next level in Miami with Tua hurt as McDaniel has a very complexed, timing based offence. He definitely has flaws. But one thing he does a really good job at is beat up on bad teams. Which goes back to my original point- If Tua is healthy, Miami is a playoff team last year as they lost multiple games against bad teams when he was injured.

I would argue McGovern is more critical than Cook. And I would bet his next contract will reflect that as I think he will make more than Cook

Their offence is 10x better with Tua in the lineup Vs when he's out. I think That's pretty black and white based on the big sample size. You don't agree with that?

Agreed. Hes a brilliant offensive mind. But doesn't really have it as a head coach In my opinion he Kind of reminds me of a better version of chan gailey in a way. Very Good offensive mind, erratic play calling at times, and not an overall good coach.

For sure I agree. I just think sometimes we like to rip on Miami, because yes, they are definitely are a flawed team- But to me I really think it's as simple as can Tua stay healthy. If he can, they proved they are a playoff team. When he misses extended time, they can't overcome it.

All true. But for Miami it's as simple as this: When Tua is healthy, they are a wildcard team. When he's not, they crumble. Last year they got 8 wins, but if Tua was healthy they easily would have had 10 and a playoff spot So If Tua stays healthy, they probably get 10 wins this year . That's a big "if " mind you lol

Ya exactly- He's got 0 leverage. And the more time he misses, the more chance for rust he will have to start the season. Not exactly smart in a contract year IMO

Respectfully I'm not sure I buy your first point. I was just using Edwards and McGovern as examples. If you're a good receiver, you're going to be playing in the nfl for 10 years. But yet they hold out all the time in contract years.

Imagine if every single player had that mindset though. Didn't practice because it was "business "? I am sure McGovern, David Edwards and guys like that are worried about injuries in a contract year. But they still show up and practice

In years past that wasn't the case as McDermott always went with "doing your 1/11th of the defence", instead of maybe leaning into more athleticism. But I think this year you might be right, as I think the Bills are going to lean into more athleticism